Environment & Energy
Related: About this forumNovember 2025 Atmospheric CO2 Content: 426.46 ppm; November 2024: 423.85 ppm; November 2023 420.46 ppm
https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/https://gml.noaa.gov/webdata/ccgg/trends/co2/co2_mm_mlo.txt
I wish Bjorn Lomborg would drop dead. (I am surprised he supports family planning assistance in Africa. It would be more on brand for him to claim that family planning assistance is racist. He is typically of the Mises school of thought which makes convoluted arguments like these: regulations preventing child labor oppress children and deprive them of the right to work! The family planning might be more Gates idea though. Although Gates is a sleazy asshole, he has a stopped clock quality like some of these guys on stuff like vaccines and family planning).
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2025/04/eight-of-the-top-10-online-shows-are-spreading-climate-misinformation/
Several show hosts also claim that climate change is a hoax designed to control and oppress. Kirk said, Climate change is the wrapper around Marxism. You have Marxism at its core and you have climate change on the exterior. Climate change activism, environmentalism, pseudo-paganism we call it a Trojan horse.
New denial is gaining momentum
Like Kirk, some influencers lean into the idea that climate change is a conspiracy by governments to control their residents. Thats similar to conspiracy theorizing about efforts by governments to reduce illness and death from COVID-19, Tortoise Media, a British news website, noted recently. Climate-sceptic narratives have merged with Covid-sceptic ones, and some of the personalities are the same, the site reported.
We have been trying to find a good company to install solar panels. But its taking longer than we thought for one thing we want to be sure that they can be contacted after for follow up work in case repairs are needed etc.
Botany
(76,109 posts)heat that body of gas would hold. That has never been disproven.
We are cooking the planet. The earth will always be here
. cept when our sun becomes a red
giant
.. but humans dont have to be here.
hatrack
(64,090 posts)Eunice Foote demonstrated the absorption of heat energy from sunlight by CO2 and water vapor in a paper published in 1856. John Tyndall proved in a paper published three years later that it was infrared radiation providing heat energy.
Expanded groundwork in climate science came in the 1890s from Swedish physicist Svante Arrhenius and Edward Teller (of all people!) presented to the American Petroleum Institute's annual meeting around 1960, laying out in clear, simple terms what would happen if we kept on burning coal, oil and methane.
None of this is new, and none of it is remotely controversial.
Botany
(76,109 posts)
. to get millions of Americans to deny the reality of proven science. I am 2 miles from the
Ohio State Universitys institute of polar studies (Lonnie Thompson) that doesnt have one or
two data points that confirm global warming and mans influence on it by the burning of fossil fuels
fuels but literally millions of data points in ice cores that go back 400,000 years but I have seen
and heard people get very upset and deny reality because they have been brainwashed with bull
shit. I stopped going to a nice little local pub (great Italian subs) because the owner is an in your
face Trumper and climate change denier who got in your face about it.
hatrack
(64,090 posts)I start laughing when they cite Fred Singer or Judith Curry, and point (as needed) for additional emphasis.
Asking them to name the six GHGs designated under the original Kyoto Protocol is also good for demonstrating they're morons. I'll occasionally hear them say "carbon dioxide".
thought crime
(1,091 posts)Industrial scale development of renewable energy is underway but deniers (and some poor misguided folks who cling to nuclear energy as the only solution) pretend it can't fully replace use of fossil fuels. Even if that were true (it's not, of course), it would still make sense to develop renewables as a partial solution to mitigate the problem. This argument exposes their complete disregard for the problem of climate change. The same is true for the Nukesters who see nuclear vs renewables as a zero-sum game.