Norman Finkelstein: Israel Is 'A Nation Of Murderers'

[WorkingClassMan]

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[hlthe2b]

1. 10, 9, 8, 7....

just waiting for the response firestorm--one which I will stay out of having learned my lesson since October 7, 2023 (and every day thereafter) no matter how nonconfrontational or commonsensical and unbiased my posted response...

May peace somehow find an inroad... (and Trump and his horrific "partner-in-crime," Benjamin Netanyahu, receive their well-earned karma without further delay, thereby perhaps ensuring the former).

[AloeVera]

5. Come on, live a little!

Say what you really think. After a while, it's water off a duck's back.

But I like your post.

[hlthe2b]

6. I do occasionally, but I don't have hours to counter the misconstruances over what I said or didn't say...

I'm sure you know...

[AloeVera]

7. Yes I do.

But alas I'm a slow learner ha ha. So much time wasted.

I pick and choose my battles now. Most importantly, who I engage with.

It's a beautiful day. Gonna get some sun now! Have a good one.

[JohnSJ]

2. Finkelstein is a holocaust revisionist antisemite, whose parents

were holocaust survivors.

There was a reason DePaul university denied him tenure.

It is insulting that some still post his crap as though he didn’t s some kind away f authority.

[WorkingClassMan]

3. Finkelstein is not antisemitic.

He has spoken about the horrors Israel has done against Palestinians for decades now and paid a price for it. While he may have some questionable views, his voice should not be silent in these tumultuous times. As someone whose late parents survived the holocaust he knows what we are witnessing is a live streamed genocide that is backed by America.

[madaboutharry]

4. Only an ANTISEMITE would say the following words:.

On his Substack, academic and activist Norman Finkelstein wrote that Hamas’ actions “warms [sic] every fiber of my soul” and compared the attacks to the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising:
“.. if we honor the Jews who revolted in the Warsaw Ghetto—then moral consistency commands that we honor the heroic resistance in Gaza. I, for one, will never begrudge—on the contrary, it warms every fiber of my soul—the scenes of Gaza’s smiling children as their arrogant Jewish supremacist oppressors have, finally, been humbled.”

https://www.adl.org/resources/article/anti-israel-activists-celebrate-hamas-attacks-have-killed-hundreds-israelis

The above quoted statements are not an interpretation. They are the words that came out of Finkelstein’s mouth.

Jews themselves know that the ugliest and most virulent antisemites are often Jews. This is a fact not an an opinion.

[JohnSJ]

8. Absolutely. His meeting and support for Hezbollah in southern Lebanon confirms

his anti-Jewish/anti-Israeli sentiment, and his complete refusal to condemn the hamas attack against CIVILLIANS on October 7, but actually went as far as trying to justify it, only confirms what a twisted person he is.

[lapucelle]

9. First the Putin-fluffing Grayzone and now the anti-Semite Finkelstein.

Enjoy your stay.

[WorkingClassMan]

11. What is bigot about Finkelstein comments?

What is said about Israel conduct is right on the money. They have violated international law by making Gaza inhabitable. From bombing hospitals to denying any aid coming into the region. Yet the Western governments continue to lend support for the apartheid state that has violated ceasefire agreements in both Gaza and Lebanon.

[Beastly Boy]

12. Sorry, I made a reference to the wrong person. Self-deleting.

[Beastly Boy]

13. To answer your question, here is where his bigotry is at its most obvious:

It starts at 5:45 of the video: '"But now, Israel... has turned into a nation if not of murderers, if not of war criminals. Because israel's is not a non-representative army. It's a citizen army." He goes on at 7:18:"It's a representative army, it's a citizen army. Either you are carrying out the execution, the genocide, or your son is carrying out the genocide, or your daughter is carrying out the genocide, or your father is carrying out the genocide, or your brother is carrying out the genocide, and there is no question or quarrel that were they, the relatives were in the shoes of those who were carrying out the genocide, they wouldn't be carrying it out reluctantly - that is factually untrue."

To begin with, he takes the term "genocide" for granted, as if it requires no reasonable accounting for its use. He misuses the term repeatedly, not even bothering to put it in the context of his previous statements. He bases his accusations on a single recollection of an event in 2018, citing his recollection of a UN report, a source that in itself is suspect of having bias against Israel. This rather incomplete and one sided recollection is then projected onto the entirety of IDF, then onto each individual soldier, then onto the relatives of these soldiers, then onto all of the nation of Israel, all in the most transparently irrational and prejudicious succession, ending up with condemning the entirety of the nation of Israel as "the nation of murderers".

That's the definition of bigotry.

And then he dives into the batshit deep end of the bigotry pool (at about 7:52 into the video): "And there is no question or quarrel that were they, the relatives were in the shoes of those who were carrying out the genocide, they wouldn't be carrying it out reluctantly - that is factually untrue.They are carrying it out joyfully. euphorically, enthusiastically, they are posring the horrors committed by them all over the social media in the knowledge that they are not going to be ostracised for posting what they are doing. They are pop singers, compose songs, like may Gaza burn".

These are not the words of a mentally stable man, not even a rational bigot. These are the fantasies of a hater who crossed the boundary between the rational and the irrational, and feels liberated by his act of lunacy.

At first, I thought he was your run of the mill bigot. But on closer examination I see a man who is not well.

[PufPuf23]

14. Mis-read your post which agreed with you about Finkelstein so deleted except our agreement.

Agree with you about Finkelstein. Not a good source and a bigot.