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curious_citizen

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157. DU of color discussing living while black
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:18 PM
Apr 2018

Last edited Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:35 PM - Edit history (1)

I will give several nominally ridiculous recounting of my living while black and being called out negatively for it. I am a 60 yr old professional black male. I have been fortunate enough to have traveled extensively during my career.
1. On my second day at a college in milwaukee, wi, another freshman and I decided to ride our bikes around the neighborhood to get a lay of the land. Our campus was on the east side of town near Knapp street of Laverne and Shirley fame. We ride and have a great time, except the ride/walk back up the hill from the lake. Anyway we get to literally the front of our dorm and a police car fires up his siren right behind us. He gets out and proceeds to ask us for our bicycle licenses. Telling us we needed to have our bikes registered to ride them. Of course we called bs, however he proceeded to write us tickets for riding our bikes. He asked for our names and I proceeded to give him the main character from the movie Shaft's name (Richard Roundtree) and my friend gave him some other fictitious character as well. We were really trying to figure out why this guy was giving us tickets. Later on we realized that the only black persons ,other than the help,on that side of town, were Milwaukee Bucks basketball players, Kareem Jabar being one at the time. Those guys didn't ride bikes around town. Milwaukee actually never improved relative to black people, they just stopped my car instead of my bike, that is why I no longer live there. I played basketball regularly with a young man that was killed by the MPD for being black and walking down the street near where a white Marquette coed was accosted. That was the first time I marched in protest of police brutality.
2. I am traveling with coworkers to a conference in Anaheim, Ca. We signed up late so all the rooms are booked for the medium to high end hotels so we ended up in a best western. We go the check in and I just happen to be the last of the 3 or 4 of us that were staying there. The desk attendant asks to see and copy my drivers license. Now all of the other coworkers swiped their corporate AMEX cards and got their keys, but for some reason this fool wants more from me. I make a big stink as well as my co workers. The attendant and manager remain firm in their need to keep a copy of my DL. So rather than give them money I just go stay at a Marriott about an hour away for the same price and I got points. I have not stayed in a BW since then.
3. I'm in New Orleans on a vacation with my mom and sister. Its been a hot day so I go for a swim in the pool and they join me with drinks. There are about 15 or so white teens in the pool at the other end. I am just trying to relax and cool off so I swim a couple laps then get out and talk with my mom. I do this a couple of times and my sister notices that each time I get in they get out. So to test the theory, I wait until they are heavily playing whatever they are playing, get in, and just do a couple of cross laps. They get out each time I get in. My sister and I turn it into a game for about 5 or 6 times. Then we get bored. But it wasn't the first time of swimming while black. Sometime in the 70s I was visiting some friends in west nowhere colorado. There was one public pool for the whole town. I was the only black teen in the area and we decided to go swimming. In order to get into the deep end the test was two laps of the pool for everyone but me. I had to do 5. I did them but was so tired I was ready to go after that. But I made sure that for the time I was out there that I went swimming in the deep end every day.
4. Living just outside of Youngstown OH, in a burb that someone interviewed on tv stated they had not seen racism there in the 50 years they lived there around the time of the 2016 elections. What a lie. But anyway, my son was in Kindergarten and since it was just him and I we used to have reading and math sessions as well as I taught him rudimentary chess. He was the only black kid in the school system at the time and he was doing well in class. He just didn't have many friends at school. We would go to discovery zone and he would see kids from his class and they were usually at a party for someone. He would play with them but never get invited to a party. So fast forward we get near to the end of the school year and the teacher suggests that he should redo the school year because he isn't socializing well. I ask if she allows the kids to pass out party invites, she says yes. I then ask if she has ever seen him receive an invite. She stammers and then says no. So the question is how is he not socializing, he plays with the kids but they don't invite him to things. Anyway she pissed me off and I contacted a headhunter and left just before school ended.
My son, fiance, and myself were walking in a park not too far from our apartment, tossing a ball or something. All of a sudden we see this rapid movement at least a hundred yards away from us. Some white woman was running to a park bench towards her purse and fell on her face trying to get there before we did. We hadn't noticed her, her purse, or for that matter the park bench. My son laughed and I let him because she had determined that a family playing while black was a threat.
I didn't stay too far from a mall. I would get up at 6am and run around the mall parking lot, well run, pant, walk, run. But anyway after a couple of months a state trooper decided to follow me, not close but at lease a hundred yards back. I noticed him but didn't confront him. This went on for several days. So I shifted to running around my neighborhood and no problem. After a couple of weeks I went back to the parking lot, primarily because it was well lit, and as a black guy I felt more comfortable. The trooper came back and just parked his car in the middle of the lot and watched me. It was annoying but after a while I just joined a gym. No need to give him some reason for jerkiness. Jogging while black
My coworkers would invite me to go to strip clubs on occasion. One of the most ridiculous things that occurred was the stripper that would not stroll on the side of the stage where the dark guy was. We stopped at this place and watched the women perform walking on the stage, then around the bar to the other side. They would get their tips and somebody else would do the same thing. Then this one stripper would walk on the other side and return, as a coworker noticed, every time I was with them she never made it to our side. So we had an asian guy come with us a few weeks later. He sat with some folks on one side while I sat on the other side. She didn't come out while we were there but as soon as we left she came out. Her loss. Watching strippers while black
5. Upstate NY, moved to a burb not too far from my job. Really nice area, schools are good, people are ok. I drive over to another burb to visit a friend and since I'm out that way I call another friend who lives near by to see if we can stop by this bar he has been raving about to catch a game. So we decide to meet. I have find the place but have a hard time finding some place to park. While I am looking a cop flashes me because I have a light out in the back. Ok so he asks me to step out so he can show me. In my mind I know its on the right or left side and all he had to do was tell me. But I get out and as I'm getting out the cop draws on me. I'm about 6'2 and he barely made the height requirement. So now I'm pissed, this guy is gonna shoot me about a tail light. I raise my hands and ask him to lower his weapon. He does but I'm enraged at this point. He says he was sorry, he didn't expect me to be that tall. WTF??. I looked at the taillight and left. I made noise but nothing happened with local PD. I just don't try to drive thru that town.
Another time another burb with my sons on a sunday on our way to listen to a friend of mine preach at his church. A cop sees us and does a u turn and flashes me. I pull over and he says I have light out in the back. Its was a buick park avenue with a light bar and about 8 lamps. So there was no actual violation but he wanted to see why we were in town early on sunday morning with our suits on. I accepted the ticket and he was still jabbering on until my friend, the pastor stopped to ask what the problem was. I had to go to court to get the ticket canceled
Go camping mid state at a private campground we usually passed' We were on our way to drop off my son and couple of things with my parents in another state. It was sort of impromptu so we didnt have firewood and some other stuff. We setup our site and left to get the stuff we needed. When we came back, the big bus/camper that was in the from of the campground was now partially covered with a confederate flag. The kids and adults all had on tshirts with some confederate or nazi insignia on it. Now mind you we were just stopping to have a relaxing fire, cook some marshmallows, and spend time with our son before he was away for a few weeks. We had no interaction with these people or their kids. So now my wife wants to take down our camp and leave. She calms down slightly when she realizes that we were taking 2 of my dad's pistols back to him and they were in a box in the truck. So we spent the night with loaded weapons and not sleeping because we had no idea of what these idiots were up to. Nothing happened, but I now only camp at state parks and always have a weapon of some sort. It takes away the serenity of camping for me but I enjoy the change of environment.
I could share adinfinitem however I will cap it to say that in several of these burbs my wife and I used to have people clutch their children as we walked pass so often that we would assumed that our expressions suggested that we ate white flesh.

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DUers of Color: Tell Your Story [View all] EffieBlack Apr 2018 OP
Have to commend you for handling that in a professional manner.. HipChick Apr 2018 #1
Thanks for the opportunity, EffieBlack Glorfindel Apr 2018 #2
I hope I can ask a question without sounding racist.... usedtobedemgurl Apr 2018 #3
That's an excellent question EffieBlack Apr 2018 #5
Thank you so much... usedtobedemgurl Apr 2018 #7
I think that he would have been less bold in confronting a man if he was alone.... bettyellen Apr 2018 #102
Nope, there's no racism in Baton Rouge! Croney Apr 2018 #4
A teaching moment for my son mercuryblues Apr 2018 #6
Black female here happy feet Apr 2018 #69
K&R ehrnst Apr 2018 #8
I am white and female. I was promoted rapidly when I was quite young. Tipperary Apr 2018 #9
Great story - thanks for sharing it EffieBlack Apr 2018 #15
You are absolutely right. I am gay also, and I was never in the closet. Exhausting yes. Tipperary Apr 2018 #19
You ignore them mercuryblues Apr 2018 #57
Yes, women and minorities are used to be questioned and challenged. raccoon Apr 2018 #32
If you had been a white male, you probably spooky3 Apr 2018 #79
True - but if I'd been a white man, he wouldn't have assumed I wasn't supposed to be there. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #81
Two examples of snap decisions being required 'in the moment.' BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #85
bullshit heaven05 Apr 2018 #146
Thank you for sharing your experience. Nitram Apr 2018 #10
Thank you for sharing that story. MineralMan Apr 2018 #11
I am white. When I was 18 in '68 I had a black roommate as a freshman panader0 Apr 2018 #12
I'm constantly told I don't belong in my own country IronLionZion Apr 2018 #13
IronLionZion - Please do not let ignorant dolts keep you from achieving.. HipChick Apr 2018 #30
Thanks! IronLionZion Apr 2018 #34
"I love white liberal hippies, but they also irritate me endlessly. " irisblue Apr 2018 #39
I like tie-dyed shirts and birkenstocks and activist marches and yoga IronLionZion Apr 2018 #40
SO you breaking up with this woman was equal to female genital mutilation???? 7962 Apr 2018 #118
That's the brutal patriarchy we live in IronLionZion Apr 2018 #121
Thank you for posting this and sharing your story geardaddy Apr 2018 #14
EffieBlack - thank you! lark Apr 2018 #16
I'm learning that white people make a whole lot of culturally racist assumptions. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #17
In Jr. High my class read a book, safeinOhio Apr 2018 #18
I also read that book in high school Ohiogal Apr 2018 #27
That book opened my eyes too. Amaryllis Apr 2018 #74
As a young white enlisted man I bought a mobile home from an African American Sargent... 40RatRod Apr 2018 #20
A few years ago I was shopping with a sister in north Florida a day or two before malaise Apr 2018 #21
Wow that's kind of shocking FakeNoose Apr 2018 #91
No she wasn't accusing me of anything - it was a lovely blouse malaise Apr 2018 #92
Sorry - I read that incorrectly FakeNoose Apr 2018 #93
The way I see it, touching me when you don't know me is malaise Apr 2018 #95
An interesting story but how is it indicative of race? Egnever Apr 2018 #22
Gladly, not one person is arguing that. In fact, you'r the only one mentioning it. LanternWaste Apr 2018 #23
You are not following directions EffieBlack Apr 2018 #24
I don't do directions well Egnever Apr 2018 #25
Clearly you do not. That is certainly your privilege. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #26
Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #28
You may think you recognize racism, tonedevil Apr 2018 #41
"I honestly just don't understand racism. It makes no sense to me." BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #42
Clearly. ehrnst Apr 2018 #62
That's too bad.. they would Cha Apr 2018 #76
that's for sure heaven05 Apr 2018 #148
"That spot is reserved!" Bok_Tukalo Apr 2018 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Egnever Apr 2018 #33
Congraduations. Billy Jingo will be resting with the fishes soon. marble falls Apr 2018 #50
He was a surly cuss Bok_Tukalo Apr 2018 #53
He surely was. He got a LOT of attention! Glad to have you back. It made a big difference for me.... marble falls Apr 2018 #54
Because it happens so much along racial lines...because people make assumptions about status JCanete Apr 2018 #55
I have seen heaven05 Apr 2018 #149
Not equating being ginger to being black, but... moriah Apr 2018 #71
Right. And it's just coincidence that the two young men kicked out of Starbucks pnwmom Apr 2018 #88
LOLWUT betsuni Apr 2018 #89
Here's an idea Lazy Daisy Apr 2018 #108
I think she handled it exactly correctly. She owed him nothing in the way of explanation or Squinch Apr 2018 #110
++ heaven05 Apr 2018 #150
What a perfectly ignorant and dismissive post. Not sure how it took so long for you to get flagged. Squinch Apr 2018 #109
Well, your post is informative, for sure. MineralMan Apr 2018 #116
you are kidding heaven05 Apr 2018 #147
K&R WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #29
Yes, there are so many... forkol Apr 2018 #35
You never really get over these experiences. cyndensco Apr 2018 #38
I grew up white in the suburbs of Indianapolis radical noodle Apr 2018 #36
My story cyndensco Apr 2018 #37
A few experiences RandomAccess Apr 2018 #43
Did you live in Stone Mountain? Behind the Aegis Apr 2018 #44
I didn't live in the village, but in the larger postal area RandomAccess Apr 2018 #45
Neat. I haven't come across anyone who lived there since I lived in GA. Behind the Aegis Apr 2018 #46
Are you still in Ga? RandomAccess Apr 2018 #47
Nope. I live in OK. Behind the Aegis Apr 2018 #48
I lived in the valley heaven05 Apr 2018 #151
K&R sheshe2 Apr 2018 #49
Per my point, but she surely was driving a nice car of some sort, yet Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #59
No. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #60
I will listen for a while, thanks...But as to the garage experience, you clearly would have been Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #51
I would appreciate DU'ers of color stopping by my thread and leaving a comment mnhtnbb Apr 2018 #52
Around 1960 we took a trip justgamma Apr 2018 #56
"People have to be taught racism" but we're born with white privilege. blaze Apr 2018 #61
I can confirm your thesis happy feet Apr 2018 #72
Obligatory posting of "You've got to be taught to know how to hate" from South Pacific: betsuni Apr 2018 #90
My grandpa was white U.S.A. Wild West. hunter Apr 2018 #64
"I didn't know people were prejudiced against Mexicans" misanthrope Apr 2018 #68
I like the way you seemed to intentionally NOT tell him who you were or that that space.... George II Apr 2018 #58
Few DUers of color left it seems ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #63
It was TRESPASSING damn it! As a white person I can always depend upon the police to bring justice. hunter Apr 2018 #65
You got that right. murielm99 Apr 2018 #66
Many of us got fed up with being whitesplained, lectured to and dismissed by "progressives" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #70
This is a different kind of story. qwlauren35 Apr 2018 #67
This may not entirely be on topic, but the guy who mows our lawn... moriah Apr 2018 #73
I think of myself as not being racist, but have become incresingly aware over the years of white Amaryllis Apr 2018 #75
As an Asian American I was given crappier work to do torius Apr 2018 #77
Im sorry this happened and have no doubt it was racism spooky3 Apr 2018 #78
Thanks for sharing this - I'll take a look EffieBlack Apr 2018 #82
Well, here are two. spooky3 Apr 2018 #84
I had a boss who had a doctorate. robbob Apr 2018 #104
Thanks. But the point of the story was that the spooky3 Apr 2018 #105
K&R for visibility. lunamagica Apr 2018 #80
Welp Afromania Apr 2018 #83
I haven't read the entire thread so I don't know if this video has been posted but this right here- tulipsandroses Apr 2018 #86
Interesting to get a little tiny taste of this if you're white when you live in another country. betsuni Apr 2018 #87
Shit happens to me all the time. Queen of the Iceni Apr 2018 #94
Showing ID at the grocery store to purchase beer/alcohol FakeNoose Apr 2018 #97
But I wasnt purchasing alcohol. I wasnt even at the check-out. I was sitting down by Queen of the Iceni Apr 2018 #98
Then yes, it was rude and inexcusable FakeNoose Apr 2018 #99
Someone was telling me recently that the store checked the IDs of everyone w/the one who was buying Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #144
These are all such thought-provoking stories EffieBlack Apr 2018 #96
Effie, I was asked to post this on your thread... sheshe2 Apr 2018 #100
I miss 1SBM ... he was a gem. Clever, witty... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #111
I miss him here, Jackie. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #112
Why did he leave? 7962 Apr 2018 #120
He was alert stalked right into 'Flagged for Review' Brother Buzz Apr 2018 #126
Experience and observation tells me that it's safer to not publicly discuss such things... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #128
He was constantly targeted, hounded and alerted on EffieBlack Apr 2018 #130
The new alert system sucks bigly. Guess he got caught up in it. Probably unfairly. 7962 Apr 2018 #137
Can I tell a story from the opposite point of view? I'm white, and used to go with my black friend LisaM Apr 2018 #101
Thank you for this op, it is very enlightening. smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #103
I am a mixed race heaven05 Apr 2018 #106
this still makes me angry azureblue Apr 2018 #107
I love that you did this, EffieBlack. calimary Apr 2018 #113
I'm half-white and I look white. My stories are about white privilege. (Bear with me.) Iggo Apr 2018 #114
My experience is a bit backasswards to others lunatica Apr 2018 #115
That's a great suggestion! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #123
Unfortunately I am not in a good position lunatica Apr 2018 #124
You seem to be a very good writer. Perhaps you could write an op-ed? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #125
I will definitely continue to speak out lunatica Apr 2018 #129
I think you should've told him it was YOUR space & who you were. 7962 Apr 2018 #117
The point of telling our stories is not to invite suggestions for what we "should" have done EffieBlack Apr 2018 #119
White supremacists would love to have my DNA catrose Apr 2018 #122
Thank you cp Apr 2018 #127
Why is it easier to assume racism... TCJ70 Apr 2018 #131
You are not following directions EffieBlack Apr 2018 #133
Im just trying to understand the racism you see in it TCJ70 Apr 2018 #135
Do you always hear hoof beats... tonedevil Apr 2018 #138
Accusations of racism are pretty serious... TCJ70 Apr 2018 #139
You need look no farther... tonedevil Apr 2018 #141
The reason I - and most other POC on this board - have no doubt that it was racism EffieBlack Apr 2018 #140
it's worse heaven05 Apr 2018 #153
Why? TCJ70 Apr 2018 #154
Understand this heaven05 Apr 2018 #155
I am in a mixed marriage pandr32 Apr 2018 #132
Wish I could share .... LenaBaby61 Apr 2018 #134
My father was a racist Wawannabe Apr 2018 #136
Thanks to those who shared, and to those who didn't, I understand caraher Apr 2018 #142
Kick EffieBlack Apr 2018 #143
Here's something that just happened this week in Grosse Pointe MI gollygee Apr 2018 #145
When I Was Five and We Drove Through Birmingham, Alabama McCamy Taylor Apr 2018 #152
This broke my heart cyclonefence Apr 2018 #156
DU of color discussing living while black curious_citizen Apr 2018 #157
wow heaven05 Apr 2018 #158
This was an important post GaryCnf Apr 2018 #159
Its my sister LittleGirl Apr 2018 #160
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