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In reply to the discussion: "In unprecedented move, DNC official [David Hogg] to spend big to take down fellow Democrats" [View all]JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)57. David Hogg is the shiny new idealist on the scene, whose actual experience and
credentials are that he survived a terrible mass shooting.
Hogg has made very clear the political positions he favors such as calling for ICE to be abolished and defund the police.
Link to tweet
Charles Pierce is not a fan, even in supposedly "safe" districts. Nothing is "safe" today.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a64504888/dnc-democratic-primaries-support-new-candidates/
To assume because a district is blue, the people in that district need to have a certain viewpoint, may have unintended consequences.
Hogg argues that we are in the position we are in because of the lack of new ideas, but perhaps it is because of some of those new ideas such as "defund the police" that actually put us where we are today. Ironically, most Democrats, as with the general population, do not favor "Defund the police", yet that label I suspect most people would apply it toward Democrats. In that same light, I suspect most Americans don't approve of the tactics used by ICE, but do believe there needs to be some agency to prevent undocumented people from crossing the borders. I suspect most of the public incorrectly believe Democrats want "open borders".
I think Charles Pierce said it best:
"Unfortunately, last November proved that the entire country is not the Democratic base, not by a long shot. This reeks of being an untenable shortcut to the real work that needs to be done."
I wonder how many of those supposedly "safe districts" that Hogg believes are safe, are in swing states?
"A Democratic House majority is preferable to any kind of Republican majority, now that the GOP has gone completely mad. Only then can the serious work of renovating the creaking Democratic party machinery truly begin."
In my view the real reason we have lost, and seem continue to do so, is because too many who align with the Democratic party, didn't show up to vote because it was the "all or nothing" approach on the issues, or I will take my marbles and go home.
That worked out real well for us in 2000, 2016, and 2024.
We won in 2008 in no small part to the Howard Dean "50-state strategy", which recognized differences, but would still agree on the main issues, and "compromise" on the differences.
President Biden probably did more to embrace the progressive tent of the party, from student loan forgiveness, to major environmental policies, yet that was all ignored because too many put the Israeli/Palestinian situation above everything else, instead of considering the whole spectrum of issues, in spite of the obvious fact that a trump administration with a republican majority in Congress would be the biggest threat to our democracy the country has faced since FDR.
Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez can go all over the country presenting the dangers we are facing, which is a good thing, but if that message is only preaching to the choir, which I suspect it may be at those rallies, I am skeptical that it will change the paradigm, especially if those attending those rallies in the end refuse to vote for the Democratic candidate in the general election if there are some issues they don't agree with that candidate on.
If we don't have unity, and we don't have enough independents, we won't win. It is as simple as that.
As pointed out above:
"A Democratic House majority is preferable to any kind of Republican majority, now that the GOP has gone completely mad. Only then can the serious work of renovating the creaking Democratic party machinery truly begin."
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"In unprecedented move, DNC official [David Hogg] to spend big to take down fellow Democrats" [View all]
LauraInLA
Apr 2025
OP
While I think PACs, etc., should be illegal, I don't favor unilaterally disavowing all PAC money while the other side
LauraInLA
Apr 2025
#2
Perhaps you havent noticed the groundswell of support for the "fight the oligarchy" tour
SSJVegeta
Apr 2025
#69
Democrat "takes" a $200 campaign contribution from someone working on Wall Street or a Pharma company: BRIBED!
betsuni
Apr 2025
#81
Who has changed votes or policy because of PACs (which cannot coordinate with candidates nor can they
betsuni
Apr 2025
#87
Most of those in the Democratic coalition vote with each other the vast, vast, vast majority of the time.
W_HAMILTON
Apr 2025
#68
Oh bullshit. If 70% of the people supported something that their elected representative refused to support...
W_HAMILTON
Apr 2025
#72
In that case, weed would be legal, insider trading for congresspeople would be illegal
SSJVegeta
Apr 2025
#73
Yet you don't mention that same need for Republicans with exponentially more dollars.
live love laugh
Apr 2025
#27
Not smart. Primarying and winning against another Dem does not trim the rethug majority...
brush
Apr 2025
#78
I will reserve judgement until I see who is targeted and who the primary challenger is
AZJonnie
Apr 2025
#3
Agreed -- we have to look critically at individual races, incumbents, and challengers.
LauraInLA
Apr 2025
#5
Frankly nobody in a deep blue district can justify taking corporate pac money
SSJVegeta
Apr 2025
#56
Yes, I think is called "democracy"... I thought that's supposed to be a GOOD thing!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2025
#77
Lobbied against her for oversight committee..Pushed for 74 yr old man with cancer instead
helpisontheway
Apr 2025
#91
I fear people think we're casting a TV show instead of dealing with policy and politics.
CBHagman
Apr 2025
#101
Id'd rather an ineffective Democrat that gets elected , than a hellfire one that can't. It's a tough call but
dem4decades
Apr 2025
#58
We have 2 open seats where elderly Dem MOC died and their R gov won't call elections
Arazi
Apr 2025
#12
I don't believe in unliterally replacing all older Dems -- precision related to effectiveness is required.
LauraInLA
Apr 2025
#19
What does Hogg targeting Democrats have to do with the Republican governor not calling a replacement election?
live love laugh
Apr 2025
#25
(butting in here) I think they mean it's disadvantageous to have so many older members,
Qutzupalotl
Apr 2025
#29
He doesn't need to offer them a damn thing -- again, who made him kingmaker?
W_HAMILTON
Apr 2025
#105
LOL, everything you've posted has indicated you would have been the first calling for her head.
W_HAMILTON
Apr 2025
#108
I tend to agree with him. We can't do politics as usual anymore. We can't afford seat fillers being
Vinca
Apr 2025
#20
It seems so, but it takes millions to run for office now. It's not like the old days, especially with Musk thrown in.
Vinca
Apr 2025
#30
"We need a whole lot of AOCs out there"... truer words were never spoken!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2025
#49
Putting the word "grassroots" in front of $20 million purifies it. Everybody else's money is corrupt, of course.
betsuni
Apr 2025
#38
Bernie: "If they went into our emails I'm sure there would be statements that would be less than flattering
betsuni
Apr 2025
#89
I'm honestly seriously disappointed he was considered for DNC leadership when he posts stuff like this...
PunkinPi
Apr 2025
#98
Ah, a thumb on the scales is cool now. Thumb or other finger. And don't say "rigging" -- that's
betsuni
Apr 2025
#39
"I've got news for the Democratic establishment. They can't stop us." Demonizing Dems as corrupt riggers
betsuni
Apr 2025
#53
Yeah, I bet some of the folks who were yelling about party superdelegates voting in the convention nomination...
LudwigPastorius
Apr 2025
#79
"credentials are that he survived a terrible mass shooting." Like the other 3,000+ students at that campus nt
EX500rider
Apr 2025
#120
Sheldon Whitehouse made an important point about Dems not undermining ourselves
jmbar2
Apr 2025
#104
This is very interesting -- thank you for sharing! You should post this on its own!
LauraInLA
Apr 2025
#114
DNC Chair Ken Martin-Voters Should Pick their Candidates, Not Party Bosses
LetMyPeopleVote
Apr 2025
#115
Here is more on what Hogg is being paid by his PAC and the fact that Hogg may be using DNC mailing lists to raise money
LetMyPeopleVote
Apr 2025
#116