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moniss

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26. I think they are trying to go way beyond here because
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 03:39 PM
Apr 2025

she did not provide him some "secret way out of the courthouse" so he could evade the arrest team. The affidavit clearly states that the man in question and his lawyer were back in the public hallway and were followed by team members down the hall to the elevator and in fact one member was on the elevator with the man. They could have arrested him in the hallway or on the elevator. It sounds like they fumbled around and a few of the others went charging towards the man and he ran.

I also question this description of the phone call with the Chief Judge because they're on the phone for a considerable time yet the affidavit describes conversation that could take place in less than 2 minutes. The affiant says the agents said why they were there, the judge said he was working on a policy and the agents gave him some contact info. They were talking for a whole lot longer than that.

I don't find it unusual that a judge doesn't want a controversy and disruption to litigants and witnesses right outside the entrance doors to her court. So she escorted the man and his attorney back to a location that is down the hall from those doors and she did so through the path mentioned. She didn't "hide" him etc.

The only thing of note to me is when the affidavit says the attorney for the state didn't know about the case being continued. Is that real or not we don't know. I do have some problems with what looks like heavy reliance on the courtroom deputy saying he "thinks" this or that but wasn't really there by the clerk's side.

There have been major gaffes by the local Milwaukee ICE and FBI over some of these arrests and it sounds to me more like they want to resurrect their image here and score some points back in DC. ICE could have gone to the man's residence the day before and arrested him. It sounds to me like the Chief Judge had not wanted these things taking place in the courthouse until he had a policy in place. That to me makes perfect sense especially because ICE can effect these arrests at other locations and they do all the time. It is quite likely the Chief Judge had told the other judges he didn't want these arrests taking place in the courthouse until there was a policy in place. The County could be liable for not having a policy if ICE goes to make an arrest and something goes wrong and innocent bystanders are hurt. While a courthouse is open to the public as a matter of course the Chief Judge is responsible for policy regarding everything that takes place in that building. Not just in the courtrooms but also in the public areas.

By the fact that Dugan told them they needed to speak to the Chief Judge tells me there is a whole lot more here than the self serving write-up in the affidavit. I think because the other judge that was with Dugan was also not having this it tells me that behind the scenes after the prior gaffes there was communication and probably assurances given that ICE would not be disruptive to court proceedings. Having about 6 guys with guns hanging around outside the courtroom doors is probably quite intimidating to litigants and witnesses in other cases going in and out of the doors of that courtroom or others nearby.

Remember that ICE got major egg on their face just a couple of weeks ago for grabbing and holding people who were actually US citizens who were born in Puerto Rico. The ICE agents heard them speaking Spanish and that was good enough for them. This area, in fact most of Wisconsin, is racist as hell.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-says-sorry-after-detaining-us-citizens-for-speaking-spanish-report/ar-AA1y5uOh

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The FBI arresting Judges is crossing a huge line Quiet Em Apr 2025 #1
Good way to tick off all judges everywhere. Suspect this will be dismissed as hard to prove intent vs. dutch777 Apr 2025 #5
Interestingly, I'd forgotten they did this the last time around with a judge in Massachusetts. Disgusting. LauraInLA Apr 2025 #8
Let's hope this is thrown out in a nanosecond. Vinca Apr 2025 #2
Here's the affidavit. IF true, it's not good for the judge. Big IF though with these fascists Nevilledog Apr 2025 #3
That report is BS Cirsium Apr 2025 #7
It might not look good for the judge, but something doesn't make sense to me. tornado34jh Apr 2025 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Falcon101 Apr 2025 #12
Did he have his hearing? The affidavit isn't clear if he did. tornado34jh Apr 2025 #13
I will wait for the trial. I don't trust Pam Bondi bronxiteforever Apr 2025 #14
The judge is not required to assist in the enforcement of an administrative warrant. SunSeeker Apr 2025 #17
Wait, what? GusBob Apr 2025 #20
I don't know, but this whole thing is very fishy. tornado34jh Apr 2025 #22
Yes I read the affidavit GusBob Apr 2025 #23
The DEA, I don't know tornado34jh Apr 2025 #31
Per NBC, all 3 charges against him were misdemeanors. SunSeeker Apr 2025 #25
I read the affidavit. I agree, it looks like the judge is in trouble. sop Apr 2025 #10
It was an administrative warrant, nor a judicial warrant. nt SunSeeker Apr 2025 #15
The affidavit: sop Apr 2025 #21
A judicial warrant is required to enter and arrest someone in a private space, like a home or a closed court hearing. SunSeeker Apr 2025 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author sop Apr 2025 #29
That's probably why they were waiting outside madville Apr 2025 #36
Factz schmakz -- my ignorance is just as important as your knowledge Ponietz Apr 2025 #16
It appears the defendant's attorney asked to leave out of a side door with the defendant and Judge Dugan let them. SunSeeker Apr 2025 #18
I think they are trying to go way beyond here because moniss Apr 2025 #26
She isn't as superficially pretty as Kristi Noem. Frasier Balzov Apr 2025 #4
Tin foil hat time Scalded Nun Apr 2025 #6
Administrative warrant is not the same as a judicial warrant tornado34jh Apr 2025 #11
The agents were in the public area madville Apr 2025 #37
Catholic Charities orangecrush Apr 2025 #19
I'd rather be with her than stand with the likes of Ka$h Patel. Kid Berwyn Apr 2025 #27
The FBI director announced it (then deleted) on Twitter. Yes Twitter. That is how FBI announced this. Doodley Apr 2025 #28
Bradley P. Moss: So to sum up the Wisconsin arrest issue: Dennis Donovan Apr 2025 #30
Flaws pointed out by Ann Jacobs Lokee11 Apr 2025 #32
Other thread with info from Ann Jacobs Lokee11 Apr 2025 #33
Maddow Blog-As FBI arrests judge in Wisconsin, AG Pam Bondi directs new threats at the judiciary LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2025 #34
Judge Dugan was arrested without presenting case to grand jury-this was a stunt to whip MAGA faithful into a frenzy LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2025 #35
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