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still-prayin4rain

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74. Regardless, these two examples show that people of good faith can disagree about what is the most effective strategy

Reply to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #53)

Tue Jun 10, 2025, 11:56 AM

Jun 10

I think the original post is calling for people on one side of the debate of the most effective strategy to be quiet. Isn't looking to history and debating about the most effective way to organize a good thing? I understand people advocating for both sides of the debate, but I do not understand posts telling people not to debate.

I get your point, a more forceful showing did have a measurable impact. Fine, so let's look to history and let's make a thoughtful choice. Both movements had an impact. Could MLK's movement have made more progress more quickly without the other influence? Or not? How do we know this?

I am not a historian and was not alive back then, but I think that is what the poster you replied to is getting at. Let's listen to the historians and the people who were there and let's be smarter. Yes, we all know two camps typically emerge in these situations -- with the benefit of hindsight, is the duel, pacifist plus non-pacifist, way the most effective way to continue forward?

With the lives of our immigrant friends on the line, I think we owe a thoughtful strategy -- and I don't see how a thoughtful strategy emerges without debate and communication.

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I do ForgedCrank Jun 10 #82

Protest without disruption is useless. Iggo Jun 10 #80

If that ForgedCrank Jun 10 #83

I'm just telling you how protests work. Iggo Jun 12 #85

If you think the lessons learned from MLK senseandsensibility Jun 9 #4

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I agree, I read the dos and do nots before I protest. I don't have tons of experience with protesting still-prayin4rain Jun 9 #42

I too have protested mzmolly Jun 9 #45

Thanks, yeah - I read everyone's advice/ideas, take the advice that resonates and feel a little still-prayin4rain Jun 9 #46

Couple things: 1. doing what he did still got him killed; Cuthbert Allgood Jun 9 #53

Regardless, these two examples show that people of good faith can disagree about what is the most effective strategy still-prayin4rain Jun 10 #74

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Donate? usonian Jun 9 #60

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