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paulkienitz

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Wed Jun 18, 2025, 02:30 PM Jun 18

Trump isn't the fascist here. [View all]

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There are lots of fascists in the Trump administration: proudly obvious cases like Noem and Miller, quieter ones like Hegseth, and probably stealth ones — maybe Vance, we can't tell because he isn't really showing his cards yet. And there are tons of obvious fascists in Congress, like MTG and Mike Lee. And there are tons of fascist Trump backers of the Musk and Thiel stripe. But Trump himself isn't the fascist. To be a fascist would require him to plan and believe in some sort of fascist system, and the only thing he plans or believes in is just "People should all treat Trump better." He's not a fascist, he's just a narcissist. He gives no shits whatever about what happens to the rest of the party, or even the country as a whole, without him. If he has a political philosophy, it's monarchist: he thinks he should be our king.

But the Republican Party as a whole is galloping toward fascism. They didn't get their fascism from Trump — they took advantage of Trump to seize the chance to implement fascism. They jumped at the chance because, without really quite letting themselves know it, it was exactly what they had been waiting for all along. It was what Dubya's crew wanted, it was what the Newt Gingrich congress wanted, it was what a lot of Reagan backers wanted, it was what Nixon's people wanted.... all the way back to Hoover, maybe even Harding, the Republican Party has been groping in this exact direction, and now they've finally seen a clear path to get there. They are often monumentally embarrassed by Trump's messy and chaotic leadership, yet most of them can't turn it down, because it's giving them exactly what they've been wanting all along. And it's what their voting base has been wanting too: for decades, all of the candidates that have brought out real enthusiasm in elections have been the ones most similar to Trump.

Trump isn't the fascist. The fascists are the rest of the Republican Party.

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Trump isn't the fascist here. [View all] paulkienitz Jun 18 OP
LOL. I have said for a long time that Trump wasn't... S/V Loner Jun 18 #1
Fascist v dictator? Ok, the terms mignt not be interchangeable... brush Jun 18 #2
I would describe Trump's philosophy as monarchist. paulkienitz Jun 18 #5
Trump is a master con man who's in it for himself Kaleva Jun 18 #3
Yes he is, indusurb Jun 18 #4
Trump doesn't do doctrines. paulkienitz Jun 18 #6
Whether he does them conciously or unconciouxly, indusurb Jun 18 #8
@ indusurb: EXACTLY. Everything B.See Jun 19 #32
"Maybe Vance?" Really? I'd peg that a DEFINITE hlthe2b Jun 18 #7
Agreed YodaMom2 Jun 18 #22
What amazes me is how people like Vance, Musk etc. B.See Jun 19 #33
GOP....Fascists and Cowards KT2000 Jun 18 #9
Correct. He's just a fucking opportunist and always has been. Karasu Jun 18 #10
Reagan's people were the so called "moral majority"... AntiFascist Jun 18 #11
The Heritage Foundation was behind P25, so yes...the "same class of people" is correct. Karasu Jun 18 #16
The true fascists DENVERPOPS Jun 18 #12
Who cares what the label is ultimately... littlemissmartypants Jun 18 #13
Vance had made it clear he's a fascist on regular occasion. Bluethroughu Jun 18 #14
Let's stop playing games and being cute... appmanga Jun 18 #15
Precisely. B.See Jun 19 #30
I agree to a certain extent... Joinfortmill Jun 18 #17
Ike was a true centrist and had to think about which party to run under. paulkienitz Jun 19 #28
Yeah. I think he probably doesn't have sufficient intellect to be a true fascist. Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #18
Yes, he's just the frontman. He has the cult. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 18 #19
i disagree. barbtries Jun 18 #20
Teflon Don B.See Jun 19 #34
The only thing these assholes have learned is that hate can garner support mdbl Jun 18 #21
General Mark Milley confirmed that Trump is a fascist. MuirHero Jun 18 #23
Agree 99 percent BaronChocula Jun 18 #24
Trump is a fascist choie Jun 18 #25
What Trump wants to be is a king. paulkienitz Jun 19 #29
They all are Mountainguy Jun 18 #26
Trump is the symptom SocialDemocrat61 Jun 18 #27
Vance is Peter Thiel's B-word valleyrogue Jun 19 #31
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