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In reply to the discussion: She Won. They Didn't Just Change the Machines. They Rewired the Election. [View all]waterwatcher123
(384 posts)The court case in Rockland County, NY will prove one way or another whether someone tampered with the voting process. The article and complaint make a convincing case something is awry. There were precincts with almost a thousand votes for Trump and zero or just a handful of votes for Kamala.
These attempts to alter the results of the election have been going on since at least 2000. One person who supposedly worked in software development claimed through signed affidavits that he helped create voting machine software to redistribute votes on DRE machines. This issue was in addition to the infamous butterfly ballot in Palm Beach County and Republicans masquerading as citizens shutting down the recount in Dade County. The chief justice of the Supreme Court, who issued the unsigned opinion that handed the election to George W. Bush, was also in the midst of authoring a book about a stolen election (Centennial Crisis The Disputed Election of 1876, by William H. Rehnquist).
Subsequent presidential elections were just as suspect. The 2004 election was riddled with complaints about non-functional machines, ballot shortages and machines that were tampered with just prior to the election. The report by Democratic Congressman John Conyers called "What Went Wrong in Ohio" is a good summary of the election mess in Ohio. The certification of the election was held up temporarily by objections raised by Ohio's congressional delegation. Neither John Kerry nor John Edwards asked for a recount in Ohio even though the election was suspect and they had a huge campaign war chest.
Fast forward to 2012 when Karl Rove had an absolute meltdown live on air when Fox News called the election in Ohio for Barack Obama. The Ohio Secretary of State's website went down midway through the election and then came back on-line with a revised set of results (watched it happen on the Ohio SOS website). The hacker group, Anonymous, claimed they prevented the theft of the 2012 presidential election by blocking a man-in-the-middle set up where election results were edited en-route to the SOS's office (related to Rove's meltdown - no one is sure).
The presidential election in 2016 was just as bad. Robert Mullers Special counsel report concluded that Russia interfered with the 2016 election in an unprecedented way. Russia got into state tabulators, hacked Hillary's campaign, and operated a bot army and bot farms to amplify negative messages about Hillary. The official response said Russia did not change anything in these state tabulators (was it just to find a weakness for the next election, no one knows?). Added to this mess was the FBI directors ill timed comments, and the psych ops operation by Cambridge Analytica where data was shared with Russia and targeted millions of people by accessing records from Facebook.
The 2020 presidential election was the most secure election in years primarily because it was conducted on paper due to COVID-19. Trump then proceeded to spend the next four years claiming the election was stolen, even going as far as to have the Cyber Ninja's recount votes in Maricopa County, Arizona. Trump inoculated himself from any claims about election theft by this action (not sure if this was the plan). But we know that Elon Musk knew about the results of the 2024 election hours before anyone else (reported on Joe Rogan's show). His son also made some interesting comments in an interview, implying that the public would never find out how the election was won. Elon also put up a series of cellular satellites right before the election without any fanfare. Whether these satellites were used to communicate with the election machines that use a cellular network is anyone's guess. But many of the ES&S voting machines used to count almost 40% of the votes nationally use the cellular network to transmit data, firmware, and software updates.
There is a difference between a conspiracy and a convergence of interests. Real conspiracies require coordination and knowledge between the parties. A convergence of interests would have the same effect, only the parties might operate without the consent or knowledge of the parties (like the Russians did in 2016). The stakes are so large in a presidential election that it is naive to think these agents would not try to influence a presidential election to favor their national or personal interests. I want to know for sure if this happened in 2024 and what we can do to stop it in the midterms or future elections.
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