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Igel

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7. Drone atttacks in Pakistan.

Sun Jun 22, 2025, 10:36 AM

Jun 22

Joining with a European force to strike Libya.

We bombed in Yemen and in Somalia.

No, that wasn't Trump or Bush II or Bush I or Reagan. That was Obama. (and I leave out Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria as givens; did we ever have explicit Congressional authorization for our involvement in Syria? Oh--that was under the generic AUF for Bush II after 9-11).

Just pointing out that there was a lot of dissent over stretching and stretching again that AUF to include things never intended. Yet we still pretend that Congress explicitly authorized all those things.

As for oversight, that's post hoc. You don't oversee during the process--Congress doesn't have that power. Oversight is after action--maybe before other on-going actions, but you conduct oversight investigations about what has been not will be.

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This is why the United States used to not do shit like this [View all] maxrandb Jun 22 OP

This brings up another question. Renew Deal Jun 22 #1

Does NATO claim that if a member MadameButterfly Jun 23 #38

When was this mythical time when the United States didn't do shit like this? DavidDvorkin Jun 22 #2

Yeah, I'm 67 and I don't remember a time when the US didn't do shit like this. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 22 #3

I'm also 67, and I don't remember such a time, and learned of none in history. mucholderthandirt Jun 23 #46

Never! We've never had a president unilaterally bomb a sovereign nation WITHOUT Congressional action of some sort maxrandb Jun 22 #4

Drone atttacks in Pakistan. Igel Jun 22 #7

The threshold for war by executive decision has steadily been lowered Martin Eden Jun 22 #11

AUF? MadameButterfly Jun 23 #39

Because in the end, even the Democratic presidents feel the need to appear to be Macho, Macho men. LiberalArkie Jun 23 #41

Sorry, but presidents have hit military targets in the mideast without following the War Powers Resolution many times. onenote Jun 22 #15

We have also never had a president that has completely destroyed our system of alliances. flashman13 Jun 22 #20

No, but during the cold war we cozied up to multiple far-right authoritarian governments, Jack Valentino Jun 22 #25

We overthrew a democratically elected Chilean government MadameButterfly Jun 23 #40

Maybe target governments &/or their citizens wised up to the point that snot Jun 22 #5

Let's ask George Bush. republianmushroom Jun 22 #22

No more rich people's wars! May they all eat each other! Clouds Passing Jun 22 #6

Yes. I suspect the MIC and the war profiteers... ananda Jun 22 #16

Interesting question hueymahl Jun 22 #8

Definitely not when her Intelligence "chief" states there isn't any intelligence warranting a strike on Iran. MuchBetterThanThis Jun 22 #9

nice try, but no. Javaman Jun 22 #17

Inventing bogeymen to justify killing and war is as old as Cain and Abel. Ping Tung Jun 22 #10

Truman began it Eisenhower popularized it and JFK believed wanderer54 Jun 22 #32

I've forgotten so much stillcool Jun 22 #12

Ahh, that is why Smedley Butler was chosen to be our new dictator in the "Business Plot" LiberalArkie Jun 23 #42

I'm a US citizen living in Switzerland. Heidi Jun 22 #13

Grinning despots gfarber Jun 22 #14

No we haven't seen this movie before. This shit show can and will become much worse. flashman13 Jun 22 #18

As you list all those countries ancianita Jun 22 #19

A chart that has in its title "The Land of Israel"... is a little suspect, at least to me. AloeVera Jun 23 #34

Out of the 15 you've got two doubtful exceptions. Might as well add Trump's preemptive strike on Iran, if you ancianita Jun 23 #45

War is the history of the human race lonely bird Jun 22 #21

I've never been more disgusted by my country than I have been the last 24 hours. Initech Jun 22 #23

It's not "our country" but THIS administration---- Jack Valentino Jun 22 #27

Even Marjorie Shit For Brains is opposed! Initech Jun 23 #36

"...we've seen this movie before..." Wednesdays Jun 22 #24

Wait !!?! H2O Man Jun 22 #29

We ceded the moral high ground decades ago. yourout Jun 22 #26

Recommended. H2O Man Jun 22 #28

It is a succinct expression of where political power comes from. David__77 Jun 22 #30

I had friends who quit the Air Force when Nixon started openly bombing Cambodia. They kept their benefits. tirebiter Jun 22 #31

Canada sees the U.S. as a threat now Bayard Jun 22 #33

Rose tinted glasses. Our nation has always done shit like this. Lancero Jun 23 #35

US Presidents attacking around the world ... TomWilm Jun 23 #37

These are not all equal and this time it's worse MadameButterfly Jun 23 #43

And I agree with most of your comment ... TomWilm Jun 23 #44

Johnson was dead wrong about Vietnam MadameButterfly Jun 23 #47