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Ms. Toad

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45. It definitely is.

Fri Jun 27, 2025, 04:58 PM

Jun 27

But the impact of this decision isn't directly on birthright citizenship - and to the extent it is on birthright citizenship, it is only about those born after February 19, 2025.

But, the birthright decision aside, this decision makes it exponentially harder to fight illegal and unconstitutional actions. Instead of suing in one (or a handful) of states, organizations defending our constitutional rights will need to file suit in every single state (possibly in every district - I haven't read it to see whether it is a state-by-state, or district-by-district issue). That multiplies the cost of fighting Trump by 50, at least.

I am not minimizing the impact of the actual decision of the court on fighting Trump. What I am trying to do is to cut off the wild, "We're all gonna be deported, since none of us are citizens" nonsense - since that was not the question before the court (not even the one before the court when this substantive question reaches the court - it will still only be about birthright citizenship for some individuals born after February 12, 2025).

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The Supreme Court will not hold. The system has [View all] bronxiteforever Jun 27 OP

Depression here yankee87 Jun 27 #1

I can only agree. bronxiteforever Jun 27 #2

Trump is not running the country. Heritage and Federalist are, along with Miller, Fox, and Bannon. Initech Jun 27 #6

It would take a Democratic controlled House and Senate to add additional justices to the SC. Gimpyknee Jun 27 #26

It would take a fair election process... returnee Jun 27 #43

I don't believe JustAnotherGen Jun 28 #76

Agreed yankee87 Jun 29 #87

Not hold? The Roberts Court has been a key DRIVER of the system's demise. RockRaven Jun 27 #3

Love your passion. What do you suggest bronxiteforever Jun 27 #11

Take it to the street. Civil disobedience at every turn to the point all the courts are overwhelmed. Stop buying... dutch777 Jun 27 #30

re: Genal Mills SonOfNebanaube Jun 27 #37

Welcome to DU, SonOfNebanaube! calimary Jun 27 #50

It's over Johnnie. dem4decades Jun 27 #4

Don' think Supreme Court ruling requires every immigrant to file suit. Might require lawsuits in other districts, though Silent Type Jun 27 #5

That is the best way to look at it. bronxiteforever Jun 27 #7

Why would they let that happen? LR3 Jun 27 #12

They did no such thing. In fact, this ruling will help Democratic Prezs too. Silent Type Jun 27 #19

We may not ever have bamagal62 Jun 27 #31

After 2030, they won't even need to do that DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 27 #56

I don't think this ends politically JustAnotherGen Jun 28 #77

Sotomayor does not share your optimistic view. bronxiteforever Jun 27 #44

Time to start focusing on state and local elections. That's where action is for most of these cases Silent Type Jun 27 #59

You are assuming that... S/V Loner Jun 27 #15

Don't think trump will get away with curtailing elections. Midterms will be here soon, and Silent Type Jun 27 #18

who will stop him from cancelling or, more likely, controlling elections? rampartd Jun 27 #28

This 👆 bamagal62 Jun 27 #32

Exactly. mdbl Jun 27 #63

Dead on. dwayneb Jun 27 #66

Don't SonOfNebanaube Jun 27 #39

I oncur... Fl_life Jun 28 #80

That's funny angrychair Jun 27 #20

That's funnier, it didn't give him authority to do that. Silent Type Jun 27 #21

It did angrychair Jun 27 #24

ACLU, Immigrant groups, tons of civil rights lawyers are ready to take those cases. Do you think Silent Type Jun 27 #25

I could be one of those cases angrychair Jun 27 #33

Could some law clerks be trained quickly to represent Captain Zero Jun 28 #79

I think there will be a ruling in every Appellate District. rzemanfl Jun 27 #55

Can every state just declare "Anyone born in this state is a US citizen" and be done with it? forgotmylogin Jun 27 #58

I find no hope for my granddaughter's future in this country. Maru Kitteh Jun 27 #8

That's the sad part - and its not just the USA dwayneb Jun 27 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 27 #9

Of all the f'ing takeaways, that is pitiful. Yeah. Every liberal icon sucks, that's the real problem. Like tan suits. lostnfound Jun 28 #86

The entire country are birthright citizens Johnny2X2X Jun 27 #10

The EO was very limited, and doesn't impact current citizens (even in the unlikely event it is upheld). Ms. Toad Jun 27 #13

Thanks for facts. Silent Type Jun 27 #14

Thanks. I was pretty sure that was the case. Wiz Imp Jun 27 #16

And you believe that? ... aggiesal Jun 27 #23

Deportation and citizenship are related, but different issues. Ms. Toad Jun 27 #29

The ICEtopol DOESN'T CARE about EO's !!! ... aggiesal Jun 27 #40

Agreed. Ms. Toad Jun 27 #52

Hi Mrs Toad bronxiteforever Jun 27 #41

It definitely is. Ms. Toad Jun 27 #45

Got you. Thank you for the informed discussion. bronxiteforever Jun 27 #46

That's just not true angrychair Jun 27 #36

They aren't relying on the Executive Order defining birthright citizenship in those deportations. Ms. Toad Jun 27 #53

Thank you for that angrychair Jun 27 #60

I hope my... SonOfNebanaube Jun 28 #78

That was what I was thinking about Bettie Jun 27 #49

Only 5 months in, if you think they aren't coming for us orangecrush Jun 27 #17

This. While it is true that this ruling alone doesn't bring us all the way to that point, we're GOING to get there. Karasu Jun 27 #22

I've been sounding the alarm for decades and no one listened dwayneb Jun 27 #73

precisely B.See Jun 28 #85

Is it time for... HarryM Jun 27 #27

Secrets in the sauce questionseverything Jun 27 #35

If you feel that strongly about it NJCher Jun 27 #34

Can I be deported, please? SidneyR Jun 27 #38

Me, too SARose Jun 27 #48

Young people voted in droves in NYC flamingdem Jun 27 #42

Wasn't there something called the enabling act crud Jun 27 #47

Here is the Enabling Act of 1933 dwayneb Jun 27 #72

No basis to criticie your despair (sadly.) elleng Jun 27 #51

they are completely illegitimate and have been for a while now (definitely since Dobbs) ecstatic Jun 27 #54

All true - now what? dwayneb Jun 27 #69

Corrupt judges dig their own graves Mysterian Jun 27 #57

I hear you. It's gonna be a rough ride ahead. Joinfortmill Jun 27 #61

4/5 of Trumps spawn were hatched by immigrants Ruby the Liberal Jun 27 #62

And Miami just canceled their November elections. AllyCat Jun 27 #64

Do you have a link to this story? Iris Jun 27 #65

Here 'tis. AllyCat Jun 27 #67

Thanks! Iris Jun 27 #70

talk about activist judges gixxerlee Jun 27 #71

Capitol. nt BWdem4life Jun 28 #74

trumps a psychic vampire that is sucking the energy from us... samnsara Jun 28 #75

If the Judicial Branch crumbles, it's over. thought crime Jun 28 #81

I wish I could agree that the Supreme Court will not hold. but it looks to me like they will hold and continue to rule Martin68 Jun 28 #82

It's very alarming mvd Jun 28 #83

The last sentence of this OP is, as a review of Tie Your Mother Down put it so many years ago... BobTheSubgenius Jun 28 #84