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Hekate

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17. Wow. There's so many brown people in Ukraine being oppressed by NATO. Who knew?

Fri Aug 15, 2025, 03:44 PM

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Please explain how that works. Also, since I admit haven’t been paying attention to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization outside Europe, can you please give me some links to show how that works?

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But my question was about the people NATO is accused of oppressing in Ukraine. I know about Russian conscripting from... Hekate Friday #82

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