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98. This is what I was remembering

Sat Aug 16, 2025, 12:42 AM

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Documents show Gorbachev was assured US wouldn't expand NATO into Central and Eastern Europe

U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (http://nsarchive.gwu.edu).

https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/documents-show-gorbachev-was-assured-us-wouldnt-ex

I don't believe this is the reason why Russia invaded Ukraine but this was what I was referring to in my first post in this thread.

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