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In reply to the discussion: Trump signs order aiming for one-year jail terms for flag burning [View all]LetMyPeopleVote
(169,179 posts)19. Deadline: Legal Blog--Trump wants to prosecute flag burners. The Supreme Court has already said that's illegal
The president said it was a very sad court that previously rejected flag-burning prosecutions on First Amendment grounds.
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-flag-burning-prosecute-executive-order-supreme-court-rcna227012
During the Oval Office ceremony, the president lamented that a very sad court I guess it was a 5-4 decision, he said they called it freedom of speech.
He appeared to be referring to long-standing Supreme Court precedent on the subject. In a 5-4 decision joined by Scalia, the court said in 1989s Texas v. Johnson: If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable.
The court sided with Gregory Lee Johnson, who burned the flag in 1984 in Dallas during the Republican National Convention. The majority recounted that Johnson participated in a political protest called the Republican War Chest Tour against the Reagan administration and certain Dallas-based corporations. The majority said Johnson was convicted for expressive conduct and that he did not threaten to disturb the peace. It said the states interest in preserving the flag as a symbol of nationhood and national unity couldnt justify his prosecution......
With that background in mind, lets take a closer look at the new executive order.
While its performative political aspect is clear, a notable legal aspect is the degree to which it acknowledges the limits of Trumps power in this area. Though the order instructs the attorney general to prioritize law enforcement actions against flag-burning, it caveats these instructions by saying to do so in ways consistent with the First Amendment and to the maximum extent permitted by the Constitution.
In other words: Do everything you can, except where you cant. Its unclear where that leaves any enforcement actions in reality.
So, the orders legal effect is fairly limited by its own terms, putting aside whatever chilling practical effect it might have on peoples conduct something that cant be ignored these days.
He appeared to be referring to long-standing Supreme Court precedent on the subject. In a 5-4 decision joined by Scalia, the court said in 1989s Texas v. Johnson: If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable.
The court sided with Gregory Lee Johnson, who burned the flag in 1984 in Dallas during the Republican National Convention. The majority recounted that Johnson participated in a political protest called the Republican War Chest Tour against the Reagan administration and certain Dallas-based corporations. The majority said Johnson was convicted for expressive conduct and that he did not threaten to disturb the peace. It said the states interest in preserving the flag as a symbol of nationhood and national unity couldnt justify his prosecution......
With that background in mind, lets take a closer look at the new executive order.
While its performative political aspect is clear, a notable legal aspect is the degree to which it acknowledges the limits of Trumps power in this area. Though the order instructs the attorney general to prioritize law enforcement actions against flag-burning, it caveats these instructions by saying to do so in ways consistent with the First Amendment and to the maximum extent permitted by the Constitution.
In other words: Do everything you can, except where you cant. Its unclear where that leaves any enforcement actions in reality.
So, the orders legal effect is fairly limited by its own terms, putting aside whatever chilling practical effect it might have on peoples conduct something that cant be ignored these days.
By its own terms, trump's latest executive order is subject to the First Amendment. This is simply a stunt by trump that has no real legal effect.
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MaddowBlog-The problem(s) with Trump's radical new executive order on flag burning
LetMyPeopleVote
Aug 25
#1
True; but they will be subjected to an initial arrest and threat of prosecution,
Ocelot II
Aug 25
#16
I agree; I've always thought it was kind of dumb. There are more effective methods, IMO.
Ocelot II
Aug 26
#25
Guess he and his clown car cabinet never heard of the First Amendment/Freedom of Speech...
brush
Aug 25
#8
Not only can he not make laws - the paper he signed said zero about making flag burning a crime
Ms. Toad
Aug 25
#17