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W_HAMILTON

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39. There aren't many "rogue saboteurs" and it's something that's been addressed.

Fri Oct 10, 2025, 05:44 PM

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Sinema and Manchin were run out of the party.

Fetterman was supposed to be one of the "better Democrats who support the parties values and will support the agenda of a Dem president" but he's looking like the next pain on our butt...

I don't know if Golden is as big a problem since one lone representative can rarely derail things. I'm fine with him being primaried and letting the voters decide and I hope the primary is conducted in such a way that whoever wins is not handicapped during the general because of attacks from a fellow Democrat.

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Centrist Dems Have Already Forgotten About Kamala Harris: Pivoting to the right didn't work in 2024. It won't work now. [View all] Celerity Thursday OP

Will John Fetterman turn Republican before the Centrist Dems can nominate him? Ping Tung Thursday #1

Fetterman is not the person I voted for, gab13by13 Friday #26

Sigh. Why do they never talk about Ross Perot? leftstreet Thursday #2

That actually isn't true, at least not entirely dsc Thursday #4

Perot got over 19 million votes leftstreet Thursday #6

This has been proven wrong. W_HAMILTON Thursday #5

That's a BS GOP talking point SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #9

I can find links that say the opposite leftstreet Thursday #10

Really? SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #11

The Biden administration was the most progressive in decades... W_HAMILTON Thursday #3

The policies of the left *are* popular, supported by a majority of Americans Fiendish Thingy Thursday #7

Oh, so it falls back to the dastardly DNC rigging everything, just so we can ... lose. W_HAMILTON Thursday #12

Don't ask me, ask the DNC Fiendish Thingy Thursday #18

There's nothing stopping them from running as an independent progressive. W_HAMILTON Thursday #19

I think you're missing the point Fiendish Thingy Thursday #21

You are the one that blamed their losses on labels -- liberals, Democrats, etc. W_HAMILTON Friday #22

Again, you misunderstand my position Fiendish Thingy Friday #23

Evolve how much? We are already for most of the ideas progressives want. W_HAMILTON Friday #25

I'm not talking about perfectionism Fiendish Thingy Friday #28

There aren't many "rogue saboteurs" and it's something that's been addressed. W_HAMILTON Friday #39

Look at other posts in this thread for details on how Golden helped sabotage the BBB. Nt Fiendish Thingy Friday #40

Consultants get paid Bettie Friday #31

Biden's 2 big infrastructure bills were shredded by a handful of centrists and conservadems (Problem Solvers in the House Celerity Thursday #8

Thank you for providing evidence that the Biden administration was quite progressive. W_HAMILTON Thursday #16

Some will still not acknowledge why they lost and have been losing Passages Thursday #13

I've seen comments on this site suggesting that Dems move further to the right AStern Thursday #14

Harris was not a "pivot right." WTF!? NT. Happy Hoosier Thursday #15

Those who pivot to the left or are left can't win the primaries Kaleva Thursday #17

There it is! was waiting for this. gab13by13 Friday #29

That's about money, not policy. CivicGrief Friday #30

Bill Clinton turned the Democratic Party into the Republican Party MakeThemCry Thursday #20

Centrist establishment neoliberal shifted Right stands for nothing BILL CLINTON DESTROYED AMERICA betsuni Friday #24

It's ridiculous, isn't it? QueerDuck Friday #27

It's incredibly ridiculous considering the facts of the actual voting Nixie Friday #34

Not incredibly ridiculous there is some truth to it standingtall Friday #36

No. Just absolute disinformation. The whole reason the Nixie Friday #37

As far as losing messages go, it right up there with the idiotic "Defund the Police" message/slogan. QueerDuck Friday #38

Yes, that was a total loser and one they tried to pin on every Nixie Friday #41

So what's happenned sense Democrats have been moving to the right standingtall Saturday #42

Very selective and biased. As usual. "centrist shitting on Nixie Saturday #44

Democrats lost the majority in the Senate standingtall Saturday #45

There would have been no Iraq war if Gore was elected, but Nixie Saturday #47

Strawman standingtall Saturday #48

Your screeds are also straw men. Based on reality, those that said Gore was the same as republicans Nixie Saturday #49

Being able to deliver is a prerequisite gulliver Friday #32

This entire thread is the reason why Democrats lose. You all concentrate on policy too much. Wanderlust988 Friday #33

Exactly. The Tough Guy persona worked. Nixie Friday #35

Nah I believe policies matter standingtall Saturday #46

This depends on the issue. Ace Rothstein Saturday #43