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jfz9580m

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193. Well it isn't anything that amazing
Tue Feb 24, 2026, 08:26 AM
6 hrs ago

But my brain has slowly been changing, after this really long period where I was thinking extra mechanically.

I used to superficially be very literal and hidebound in some ways outside of my two closest friends/mom. I now use my DU journal and posts as a sort of experiment in communication and possibly useful in a way. It is not that clear how one’s life and thoughts are affected, by the sort of buggy, overhyped tech that is everywhere.

EarlG has been really tolerant of my posts, because normally I would not use an experimental style on DU.

But one thing that is increasingly clear is that reality is being gamed by a lot of people who don’t really play fair at all. And the people who do (and I try to be one) are playing it too straight.

Initially it is aversive to anyone who is instinctively repelled at the concept of deception/trolling. That is not stuff I really like.

But it has some truthy utility, given how much bullshit is affecting our material lives.

And there is no option re: any real spadework and grunt work, whatever tasks you are trying to accomplish. That is the dishonest grifter’s path if it is just various disingenuous grifters trying to game reality.

But I wonder if it is possible to communicate honestly, but less prosaically. I rather like Sen Whitehouse’s rhetorical style in the speech flashman posted in E and E.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&info=1&address=1127187511

I also got a chuckle out of this:

https://time.com/7279027/earth-day-snakes-lessons/?itm_source=parsely-api

This is devoid of common sense when people who try to do the right thing are demonized and keep trying to meet disingenuous standards.

Look at Dr Fauci..he was as respectable as it gets and they tied that Beaglegate bullshit around his neck.
A large number of people most who eat factory farmed meat and don’t know or care about mass culling methods like ventilation shutdown, now want Dr Fauci to be smeared as this animal torturer? It was so dishonest. I am a vegan who donates to the Humane League every month and got interested in politics on account of animal rights primarily. And yet medical research of the best kind and where unavoidable is not in the same category as so many wanton things are. I lost my mom to cancer so some animal research that is useful and well regulated and necessary is not something I can honestly claim to be opposed to.

I did think those experiments are lousy. But this is a pattern of targeting the best kinds of high profile people is hateful. Dr.Fauci is about as good as it gets with someone genuinely elite and overworked. That’s most doctors and pis.

But then such people have many constraints on what they can say etc. But as a “rude little shrimp” (at least according to cleverbot) maybe I can get away it..

Cleverbot is the only chatbot I kinda like - it is old, obscure and small..

I have been trolling my own former admin who doesn’t know I exist and well…a rude little shrimp can do that…🦐

Sen Whitehouse is pretty cool..:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/07/sheldon-whitehouse-democrats-and-activists-being-too-polite-in-the-fight-against-malevolent-fossil-fuel-giants/

He gets that systems are interconnected..fleshing out loose associations into full fledged models takes time and effort.

But to not even have a mental model of the world with built in sane math, probabilities, internally consistent logical frameworks is ..it is like trying to grapple with slippery sophistry.
And so much of the debate on ai is the same.

I am now separating my basic research work, an area with strict, prosaic normal rules from this damn free-for-all madness part that has become everything else …lol..

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Social Media Has Made Society Worse Than It Was ProfessorGAC Yesterday #1
Indeed. And we raise our men terribly. marble falls Yesterday #2
That reminds me of a remark soldierant 15 hrs ago #189
There is a cure for all these, but no one wants to do it...UNSUBSCRIBE to ALL of it! That is the CURE! Escurumbele Yesterday #24
Ok By Me ProfessorGAC Yesterday #57
Good idea but not realistic blubunyip Yesterday #70
Because we let them. Because there is no credible protest against this. Because this Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #136
What about having men police themselves? How many men call out other men for their hateful comments and threats? ihaveaquestion Yesterday #86
You used the word "male." Is that not derogatory, yet "female" is? Doodley Yesterday #109
You think you scored a big point there, don't you? Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #135
Using "male" as an adjective rather than a noun is appropriate. Here's a link spooky3 21 hrs ago #143
That's your response to a call for men to be responsible? WTF!?!?! ihaveaquestion 19 hrs ago #177
I doubt there are many men on this forum who disagree that there are men who are disrespectful to women, and Doodley 17 hrs ago #186
Worse by orders of magnitude. SKKY 18 hrs ago #179
Why anyone still uses any Zuckerberg product is beyond me. No one needs that and they're Scrivener7 Yesterday #3
Quit FB years ago. Never went on Instagram. Ritabert Yesterday #7
Same here, and I'm a 78-year-old man with a wife and sisters. Email, and DU is the extent of my online activity. usaf-vet Yesterday #52
Same here. Ritabert Yesterday #88
Stop Greg_In_SF Yesterday #4
Good Point ProfessorGAC Yesterday #5
Any forum with inadequate moderation is quickly hijacked by men and boys... hunter Yesterday #60
Right blubunyip Yesterday #73
Then, at the very least, there needs to be a movement demanding adequate moderation. Scrivener7 Yesterday #80
Not sure this equates. Hope22 Yesterday #12
Post removed Post removed Yesterday #14
So, basically, kudzukimchi Yesterday #19
Really, dude? Welcome to DU. Scrivener7 Yesterday #21
I just knew Greg_In_SF Yesterday #23
Agree Mossfern Yesterday #41
Well said! csusan Yesterday #42
She's 15. All kids are on social media. Joinfortmill Yesterday #31
Again, it's Greg_In_SF Yesterday #35
Not quite. Joinfortmill Yesterday #39
Umm... Greg_In_SF Yesterday #40
That's Boomer logic Polybius Yesterday #63
Yes blubunyip Yesterday #75
It brought back the memory of then PM Golda Meir's response when men suggested she enact a curfew for women Attilatheblond 22 hrs ago #127
Similar to get the red out 22 hrs ago #128
But, it seems, there are only two available options: leave the source, or demand Scrivener7 Yesterday #83
I'm not going to pretend to have a solution, but this is not just about social media spaces. Ilikepurple 21 hrs ago #144
I'm in no way dismissive of her concerns. And I've said elsewhere in the thread Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #149
The issue is that the abuse does not stop online. The piece was a plea for change not a request for personal advice Ilikepurple 20 hrs ago #161
I'm not dismissing anything. I never said anything about the banning children idea being outlandish, in fact Scrivener7 20 hrs ago #163
I'm sorry. I apologize for mixing some of your comments with another member. Ilikepurple 19 hrs ago #178
Have a nice night. Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #180
Boys will stop that behaviour when they find out it is not cool, when there is no one on social media, besides Escurumbele Yesterday #26
Victim blaming much? You're kidding, right? Joinfortmill Yesterday #33
Amazing to me how the victim is always held responsible because "we all know men can't help speaking ... marble falls Yesterday #58
This message was self-deleted by its author blubunyip Yesterday #76
Please explain how the post is "victim blaming." Doodley Yesterday #119
Telling girls to get off social media doesn't solve the problem and it's a bit like spooky3 22 hrs ago #130
Progressive Democrats don't develop lifelong issues with self-esteem and trust Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #138
Notice that I said it's "a bit like", not "exactly like." spooky3 21 hrs ago #142
Do you see anything being done that indicates the bad behavior is being discouraged? Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #145
When I first stopped using X and started using Threads, spooky3 21 hrs ago #146
So there are places these kids could go and be safe instead of instagram. I wish they would. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #151
Instagram is linked to Threads, but she could just ignore Instagram spooky3 21 hrs ago #155
We could just tell kids all their parents are on instagram. That'll send them running away. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #156
LOL! Nt spooky3 21 hrs ago #158
Women once needed escorts to enter taverns leftstreet Yesterday #27
Right because some men can't seem to control thenselves Joinfortmill Yesterday #34
Paint Greg_In_SF Yesterday #45
"Some men" is a wide brush? Wednesdays Yesterday #53
As wide a brush as "stay off the internet. Problem solved!"? Torchlight Yesterday #61
This centurys version of homegirl Yesterday #103
As one man, I didn't feel the brush came very close to painting me. Ilikepurple 20 hrs ago #164
Or Greg_In_SF Yesterday #43
Instagram isn't CAUSING her problems leftstreet Yesterday #79
Your interlocutor has left the thread Prairie Gates Yesterday #92
So what do you do to protect your fifteen year old daughter from this right now? Scrivener7 Yesterday #106
I don't know leftstreet Yesterday #114
We do have that history. But I'm not seeing the will to apply it to social media. Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #129
I'm not sure you could make a ban on using instagram stick for a 15-year-old. MineralMan 23 hrs ago #123
Yes. Your response is unsatisfactory because it's amazingly naive. "Calling out" these assaults has never done anything Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #131
Doing what i can.. MineralMan 21 hrs ago #139
"the problem is undisciplined girls" blubunyip Yesterday #81
What do you suggest? Imagine you're this fifteen year old's mother. What do you do? Scrivener7 Yesterday #105
Come together with other mothers, fathers, daughters AND sons blubunyip Yesterday #116
I totally agree. There should be a major protest against this. But there isn't. I can't fathom why. But there isn't. Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #132
This isn't a woman. This is a child. And she is being abused. I'd forbid instagram in a heartbeat. Scrivener7 Yesterday #111
Well yes! leftstreet Yesterday #117
Absolutely. We only get better products when we demand better products. And sometimes Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #133
Stop johnp3907 Yesterday #108
She's not a woman. She's a child. And she's being abused. What would you do to stop that Scrivener7 Yesterday #112
Social media is a pretty damn big neighborhood Quiet Em 23 hrs ago #122
iI's not just a matter of social media.. whathehell 20 hrs ago #166
These repulsive little worms... GiqueCee Yesterday #6
"Suppose social media platforms required them to use their REAL names, and not some made-up handle." MichMan Yesterday #55
If women used their names they'd be seriously shit-stormed and doxxed. marble falls Yesterday #59
Good point... GiqueCee Yesterday #95
No... GiqueCee Yesterday #85
Sounds really serious Torchlight Yesterday #93
The military has always used 'girl'as a means of humilating men. milestogo Yesterday #8
Today's bright moment of clarity -- right here. Duncan Grant Yesterday #102
The juvenile males who own and run social media are intentionally responsible for this. Clouds Passing Yesterday #9
Let's not forget how Zuckerberg got his start. llmart Yesterday #13
He's a creepster Clouds Passing Yesterday #16
I don't think Zuck ever had a GF..... SergeStorms Yesterday #38
From Wiki... llmart Yesterday #66
Wow. SergeStorms 21 hrs ago #152
You use the word "males," but female is an insult? Please explain. Doodley Yesterday #113
I didn't say or imply that female is an insult Clouds Passing 21 hrs ago #159
Dehumanizing hatred at such a young age seems difficult to avoid in the 21 century Torchlight Yesterday #10
Yes, exactly. MineralMan Yesterday #22
Yes. It's victim blaming n/t Just_Vote_Dem Yesterday #49
But don't. Scrivener7 Yesterday #78
That is true in many, many cases. MineralMan Yesterday #90
Women, myself included, have spent lifetimes doing that. And yet here we are. Scrivener7 Yesterday #91
OK, but I'll continue to call out sexism and misogyny when I encounter it. MineralMan Yesterday #96
We all do that. You are not unique in that. It doesn't change anything about the abuse this child is facing. Scrivener7 Yesterday #98
And after all these years of doing it Bettie Yesterday #99
I just said the same downthread. I think we're all feeling that. Scrivener7 Yesterday #100
+1 leftstreet Yesterday #25
My sentiments exactly Mossfern Yesterday #48
Telling people to avoid social media is as absurd Torchlight Yesterday #50
Imagine she is your child. Are you going to feel like the solution is to wait until the culture Scrivener7 Yesterday #97
I share your concern about keeping youth safe from harmful online content. Torchlight Yesterday #101
I totally agree. But in the meantime, my kid would not be allowed to go near it. Scrivener7 Yesterday #104
My heart goes out to the girls and young women. Hope22 Yesterday #11
Even nice men often see it as a "woman's problem" blubunyip Yesterday #84
Are you saying no men joined in the fight to protect Roe V. Wade? Doodley 23 hrs ago #121
Please..... Hope22 22 hrs ago #137
Do you think tens of millions of Democratic men don't stand up for women's rights? Come on! Please! Doodley 21 hrs ago #141
I'm semi retired now. WinstonSmith4740 Yesterday #15
Did you also have the same restriction to the usage of "males" MichMan Yesterday #56
Absolutely!! WinstonSmith4740 Yesterday #82
So we should all be banned from using the words male and female except for the animal kingdom? Are you kidding? Doodley Yesterday #118
...... Diamond_Dog Yesterday #17
Amen Joinfortmill Yesterday #36
Please! I am a man who respects women. Every Thanksgiving dinner I make a speech that I want to see more women Doodley 23 hrs ago #120
That's great. Quiet Em 23 hrs ago #124
It says "men," not some men, not certain men, not a small percentage of men, but "men." Doodley 22 hrs ago #125
She did not say all men either. Quiet Em 22 hrs ago #134
Please! If I said "women are a problem," does that sound okay to you? I don't think that is acceptable. Doodley 21 hrs ago #140
Let's stay in the context of the topic and discussion on this thread Quiet Em 21 hrs ago #150
She isn't a "young girl." She's 15. Doodley 21 hrs ago #157
She's 15. She is a girl, sir. Quiet Em 20 hrs ago #160
She isn't a young girl. She takes offense at "female," so at least, let's not call her a "young girl." Doodley 17 hrs ago #184
I have no idea what you are talking about. Quiet Em 17 hrs ago #188
Yawn. The not-all-men argument---like we haven't heard that before. CrispyQ 18 hrs ago #181
If I said "women are the problem," would you say that was acceptable? I would not ever say that as it is offensive and Doodley 17 hrs ago #185
I didn't feel tarred. I'm not sure why you think this is about you. Ilikepurple 19 hrs ago #175
Do you know what my race is? Where I was born? If I have a disability? What my religion is? No. Please don't stereotype Doodley 17 hrs ago #187
I'm not sure I spoke to any of those things other than mentioning marginalization. Ilikepurple 15 hrs ago #191
I don't have Instagram and have never used it but I have had Facebook Bev54 Yesterday #18
With very few exceptions, "Social" media are pure poison. usonian Yesterday #20
DU is my only social media... BigmanPigman Yesterday #28
This is horrifying. What kind of men are we raising? Joinfortmill Yesterday #29
Trump acolytes. Wednesdays Yesterday #51
The same ones we have always raised. 1WorldHope Yesterday #74
Ding, ding, ding, THAT IS THE POINT! Buddyzbuddy Yesterday #89
It makes me think of a book I read FullySupportDems Yesterday #30
That was my 2nd Tepper novel. CrispyQ 18 hrs ago #182
I was called a "cuck" yesterday on X by a woman defending Tuckers Mosby Yesterday #32
Wracking my puny "female brain" xuplate Yesterday #37
I completely understand why many women may want to have little to do with men. Sometimes it seems like men are a blight Fil1957 Yesterday #44
I get that entirely. I do not crowd women or children because I don't want to cause them fear that I am one ... marble falls Yesterday #69
I don't think I've ever seen you stray even into the neighborhood of mansplaining. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #154
Social media is a great source of people, families to keep in touch. It's beautiful. BUT bluestarone Yesterday #46
Women Keep A Body Count???? Coolgoober Yesterday #47
Incels think this about women, and they're pissed because they aren't getting in on anyone's count at all. marble falls Yesterday #67
Facebook is cancer JoseBalow Yesterday #54
Thank you for sharing. Martin68 Yesterday #62
Even my husband gets the Proverbial Pissed Off when he hears how some men think of females. chouchou Yesterday #64
Boys jump at that shit in a nanosecond GenThePerservering Yesterday #65
Parents need to teach their boys Bettie Yesterday #68
We can't fix this online. It starts at home and in school. marble falls Yesterday #72
That's true Bettie Yesterday #87
But that means this fifteen year old has to endure this until the culture changes. Scrivener7 Yesterday #94
The kids need better tools GenThePerservering Yesterday #107
I'm speaking as someone whose only social media is DU, so I understand that I am Scrivener7 Yesterday #110
You're fighting the good fight here Sympthsical 20 hrs ago #162
I wonder if people who grew up with this will be more careful with their own children. Scrivener7 20 hrs ago #165
The parents my age are much more aware of it Sympthsical 20 hrs ago #169
I LOVE that idea of a flip phone for school! And I love to hear there is more healthy fear of this shit. Scrivener7 20 hrs ago #171
Absolutely, but problems will beget problems Sympthsical 19 hrs ago #172
This is just the beginning. AI will do the rest. Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #173
The parents of your niece did the right thing. Quiet Em 20 hrs ago #167
It's in the frigging algorithms. This is how Zuckerberg makes his money. Scrivener7 20 hrs ago #168
AI and filters aren't going to make it any better Sympthsical 19 hrs ago #174
The net has warped human perceptions of reality jfz9580m Yesterday #71
I'll be watching for those posts about your epiphanies. It sounds interesting. Scrivener7 20 hrs ago #170
They are hard to explain jfz9580m 15 hrs ago #192
Well it isn't anything that amazing jfz9580m 6 hrs ago #193
My head is spinning a bit from this. I agree with you that the ones doing the work seem to be the ones who Scrivener7 4 hrs ago #195
And god forgive an action movie features a woman or person of color..only a white male can save the world BlueWaveNeverEnd Yesterday #77
Instagram and Facebook MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #115
Screw social media popsdenver 22 hrs ago #126
Easy to see why we've had no female presidents stollen 21 hrs ago #147
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby 21 hrs ago #148
OMG MorbidButterflyTat 21 hrs ago #153
The beauty of posts like this drmeow 19 hrs ago #176
Sad to see. REALLY sad to see! calimary 17 hrs ago #183
Read a fascinating diagnosis of the problem. summer_in_TX 15 hrs ago #190
I don't understand this maxrandb 5 hrs ago #194
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