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highplainsdem

(62,688 posts)
66. You don't seem to understand that people choosing to use and promote a technology they know is unethical and
Mon Mar 2, 2026, 02:59 AM
Mar 2

harmful is obnoxious. Especially when they're posting on a message board for liberals and apparently deciding they can make a carveout for AI as something they don't need to apply liberal values to.

I'm doing what I can to make AI users here aware of the many reasons why they shouldn't use AI voluntarily. And some of them apparently don't care, which I find astonishing, disappointing - and, yes, obnoxious.

Posting AI slop here is a big FU to the people whose work was stolen to train the AI. That's obnoxious. I'd have a very hard time convincing any of the artists I know that the people posting AI slop of any type here care at all about the creatives whose work was stolen. And if there aren't continuing objections, it leaves the impression that other DUers are just as uncaring, just as unethical.

Which is a horrible look for what is supposed to be a liberal forum with liberal values.

And I'm the guy who may find himself unemployed an unemployable by the time I'm 50 because of AI. I would bet its a much bigger concern to my personal ability to survive than it is to you.


You don't have any idea how much AI affects me personally. But I've warned about AI since ChatGPT was released since it was immediately obvious it was harmful. And as time went on, more and more news stories and studies backed that up. If anything, I underestimated how harmful it would be, and how fast it would wreak damage.

I don't have kids of my own, but I'm close to my siblings' kids, and my extended family includes two developers in their 40s, with 7 young children between them, and wives (two of one of my brothers' daughters) who have not worked for many years; they'll have a nearly impossible time keeping their houses if those jobs are wiped out. One of those devs told his teenaged son he'd better forget his dream of becoming a videographer, because AI would probably wipe out that profession, and I hated hearing about that. My young relatives who are in school and very aware of AI aren't sure how to make any plans. That's terrible for kids.

I have a cousin in his 50s who works for UPS. He has a disabled wife and daughter. UPS is laying off a lot of employees, in part because of AI. His sister had been planning to return to teaching after years of caregiving, after their mother died, but with what AI has done to teaching, she doesn't think she can do it. I think the older of the two lawyers in the family might be fine even if a lot of lawyers lose their jobs, but the younger one might not be. The relatives who own some successful appliance stores are well off but their stores might not be as more people lose their jobs and have less money for appliances.

A data center may be built soon beside a town where one of my brothers and some of his kids and grandkids live.

Generative AI is making the future much bleaker for most people, and that's because of AI robber barons who stole the world's intellectual property for their private profit, and who have marketed their AI tools to businesses as a way to lay off workers. Using the tech dumbs people down, and it produces inferior work including code with security risks.

It's hyped anyway. But it shouldn't be hyped here.

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Absolutely! pat_k Mar 1 #1
I'm glad you label it, but why bother posting what any chatbot says when it might give a different answer highplainsdem Mar 1 #7
Very true. AI generated content looks and sounds authoritative, even when it's not mdbl Mar 1 #10
I always question AI - ask for quotes, womanofthehills Mar 1 #14
That will NOT prevent it from lying. Ms. Toad Mar 1 #35
This is an AI Video... leftstreet Mar 1 #2
It's still slop. It's still dumb. Our most effective weapons against Trump and his regime are real news, highplainsdem Mar 1 #3
I thought the subject was labeling it leftstreet Mar 1 #5
I'm glad you agree with the labeling. I thought you posted that video as something that you felt highplainsdem Mar 1 #8
bwahahaha jmbar2 Mar 1 #4
No way ornotna Mar 1 #62
LOL. Sometimes we need to laugh at one form Ilsa Mar 2 #71
With some small effort one can usually find the source of this plagiarized material. hunter Mar 1 #6
Ah, Liechtenstein! kurtyboy Mar 1 #18
I agree, but...... SergeStorms Mar 1 #9
They don't all add disclaimers, though, here on DU or on other websites - and most of the time they highplainsdem Mar 1 #12
I agree SergeStorms Mar 1 #34
Thanks! highplainsdem Mar 1 #53
Thank you !!!! This should be a DU rule. Trueblue1968 Mar 1 #11
Yes! SheltieLover Mar 1 #21
If people are posting AI generated text here withour saying it's AI, I agree that it should be labeled as such. ShazzieB Mar 1 #13
The AI overview is there to keep you in the google sandbox. hunter Mar 1 #47
Yes, and No ThreeNoSeep Mar 1 #15
Yes, they are committing fraud, i.e. plagurisim. paleotn Mar 1 #25
Academic researchers use other people's work all the time. (#bibliography) ThreeNoSeep Mar 1 #59
They cite other people's work. Other PEOPLE. Cite LLMs? paleotn Mar 1 #60
Theft? Nope. ThreeNoSeep Mar 1 #61
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. highplainsdem Mar 1 #28
Where are your citations for the above? jmbar2 Mar 1 #39
Citations for what's in the excerpt boxes? Those are quotes from the message I was replying to. highplainsdem Mar 1 #43
They're quotes, so they need ____________________ jmbar2 Mar 1 #45
Not when it's a quote from someone I'm replying to in an excerpt box in a reply following their message. highplainsdem Mar 1 #49
Agree 100%. Thank you! CaptainTruth Mar 1 #16
Is this a new rule or guideline? Joinfortmill Mar 1 #17
If not, should be. paleotn Mar 1 #22
I have no issue with this if it is a rule by the site owner Joinfortmill Mar 1 #23
They're wishing, not presenting. paleotn Mar 1 #26
You might want to read my post again. Joinfortmill Mar 1 #27
Do they have the ability to make policy? No. Then it's just wishing. paleotn Mar 1 #29
Read it. Joinfortmill Mar 1 #32
It's a request, starting with the word "please" - no more a rule or guideline than the many requests highplainsdem Mar 1 #33
Chill. Why the freaking anger? paleotn Mar 1 #36
I'm not angry. Joinfortmill Mar 1 #44
Then why is this such an issue for you? Seriously? paleotn Mar 1 #56
It is the way it was presented. Joinfortmill Mar 1 #57
It's a request, made because we have had chatbot responses posted here that weren't identified as highplainsdem Mar 1 #31
Perfectly good reasons why we should NEVER use AI for this forum. paleotn Mar 1 #19
Absolutely agreed! SheltieLover Mar 1 #20
Is this like blaming someone for holding a counterfeit banknote? Drum Mar 1 #24
I simply put many of these AI enthusiasts on my ignore list. hunter Mar 1 #40
Agreed! Drum Mar 1 #42
It's possible I decry this new industry more than highplainsdem does. hunter Mar 1 #55
Amen. Wednesdays Mar 1 #30
I'm here for the humans. carpetbagger Mar 1 #37
LOL! I hope we all are. Heaven help this board if very much of it turns into a place to trade highplainsdem Mar 1 #38
Do we need to know the political affiliation of the chatbot? MichMan Mar 1 #41
And their pronouns jmbar2 Mar 1 #46
This isn't in the TOS. It's a request made for the reasons explained in the OP. And identifying the chatbot helps highplainsdem Mar 1 #50
I come to DU to find out what other people think. AI doesn't think. It's "artificial!" nt LAS14 Mar 1 #48
Exactly. There are already too many responses from bots in a lot of other online forums. highplainsdem Mar 1 #58
I ask that an AI tag be added to the subject line so those of us who find AI revolting can easily Trash it a SheltieLover Mar 1 #51
I think a trigger warning might be more appropriate jmbar2 Mar 1 #52
It's not a trigger for me, but AI in subject makes it easier to trash in settings. SheltieLover Mar 1 #54
I'm starting to think you don't care about any other issue. FascismIsDeath Mar 1 #63
Really? I've posted about lots of other issues, here and on other platforms. highplainsdem Mar 1 #64
"AI slop" has became the equivalent of using "woke" as a pejorative. FascismIsDeath Mar 2 #65
You don't seem to understand that people choosing to use and promote a technology they know is unethical and highplainsdem Mar 2 #66
Jawohl! LPBBEAR Mar 2 #67
This. Martin68 Mar 2 #68
Thank you highplainsdem. c-rational Mar 2 #69
About the search engine AI overviews mentioned above... FemDemERA Mar 2 #70
Very helpful - thanks jmbar2 Mar 2 #72
This is the owners issue, not ours. Mosby Mar 2 #73
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