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mr715

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26. I am sympathetic to the concern for people that have been hurt.
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 01:52 PM
Tuesday

I am not, however, of the position that

(a) Democrats bear any responsibility in this mess at all

(b) We can weigh paychecks against foundational liberal (classical principles) such as the government not being empowered to kill its citizens with impunity

(c) it is good political calculus for the minority party to initiate negotiation with a majority that has no respect for the rights of a minority, despite the razor thin margin separating them

(d) We must unilaterally disarm political weaponry because we are concerned about the poor, the needy, and general public, and the good of the Republic. We should have learned over the last 30 years - we should not negotiate with terrorists.

(e) When we engaged in a foreign war, with less thought than Iraq and even more muddled messaging - a war started on a whim and a whisper from a foreign nation - that we, the minority party, should form a coalition with the people that put us in this position.

(f) That had the veritable orgy of spending that went to ICE and Border Patrol can't be redirected to TSA. Trump has already shown little concern for Congressional control over spending and budget - why should he stop now? He even issued his dogshit executive order. Let them clean their mess using their own tools. Why should we care? We didn't start the fire. If they want to put it out with spray bottles, more power to 'em. Let them try. We have a clear, articulable, and superior position.


Yeah, TSA workers should get paid. And Alex Pretti shouldn't have been murdered. And Renee Good shouldn't have been shot in the face and left for dead while her partner watched.

The Democrats have suffered for my entire political awareness because they wan't stuff to work, and that means they put forward policy, test it, and sometimes it doesn't work. But it is always for the public good. Every Democrat I've known has triangulated their position to try to open the tent as wide as possible, to invite as many and ensure that support for policy is wide yet shallow.

What Trump has taught me, and I hope taught us as a party, is that there is a separate axis of action, independent of policy outcomes and ethics -- assertiveness. An unwillingness to engage in 'smarm' and 'bullshit' and is willing to call it out. Someone when presented with the claim, "Do you support the troops?" responds with, "That is a bullshit question -- it is easy to say support the troops but I support the American people and want our troops at home, safe, and secure"

When presented with "The TSA should get paid," responding with "Yes, so the GOP should pass a funding package. They have the votes. They cannot count on our votes because we do not believe DHS should be funded."


Imagine, indeed.

I'd rather 10,000 be inconvenienced than 1 be murdered. They will get their pay with interest. They will get special payment plans and protections. It sucks, they were put in a horrible position by their coworkers in DHS/ICE/CBP. They should be angry as well with the party that made it possible for their employer to be so damaged that 50% of the Senate cannot in good conscience continue funding them.

Who's mess? Thune's mess.

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The Senate passed a bill to pay TSA workers. Speaker Johnson won't allow it to come to the floor of the House for a vote surfered Tuesday #1
Republicans control Congress Prairie Gates Tuesday #2
I'm not here to argue about who did what. Congress as an overall policy should not deny workers paychecks in the future. Jacson6 Tuesday #3
Well you should be here to argue who did what gab13by13 Tuesday #4
So you're trolling. mr715 Tuesday #27
I don't appreciate your Ad hominem. N/T Jacson6 Tuesday #29
Apologies. mr715 Tuesday #30
All I'm saying that what congress has done to these workers and their families is to harm them. Jacson6 Tuesday #31
They'll get back pay. mr715 Tuesday #32
Everyone knows there is the 60-vote threshold in the Senate. everyonematters Tuesday #7
They met the threshold Prairie Gates Tuesday #8
We are still refusing to fund DHS. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. everyonematters Tuesday #10
The action is refusing to greenlight fascist murderers on the streets of our communities Prairie Gates Tuesday #11
It got passed. mr715 Tuesday #28
All it takes is the little Johnson to allow it Torchlight Tuesday #5
Or 4(ish?) GOPers to sign a discharge petition SSJVegeta Tuesday #6
Everyone is accountable for their own actions. Refusing to fund DHS is an action. everyonematters Tuesday #9
Bull, that is a right wing talking point IMO. gab13by13 Tuesday #12
Why do you think our approval rating with independents is 28%? It is actions like this. everyonematters Tuesday #13
Can you give me a source for that number? dpibel Tuesday #14
In today's YouGov poll it is 23%. everyonematters Tuesday #15
Sorry to be dense, but how about a link? dpibel Tuesday #16
No problem. everyonematters Tuesday #18
Thank you. dpibel Tuesday #20
Here's a Quinnipiac poll from a few days ago EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #17
The low favorability with independents, is an indication that they are voting with us as a check on Trump, everyonematters Tuesday #19
I would agree. But in the short term, I'm happy to focus on that positive EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #21
Yes, if we win the House or the Senate, that will be our big chance to show that we can make a difference. everyonematters Tuesday #25
Ok. mr715 Tuesday #23
Imagine Prairie Gates Tuesday #24
I am sympathetic to the concern for people that have been hurt. mr715 Tuesday #26
There is a lot of cruelty Congress should stop. mr715 Tuesday #22
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