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somsai

(264 posts)
20. CA law
Mon May 11, 2026, 12:20 PM
May 11

Under PC 415(3), a prosecutor must prove that the words used were irected at a specific person:

The words must be aimed at an individual in a face-to-face encounter, not just shouted into a crowd or posted online.Inherently likely to provoke violence: The test is whether an average person in that specific context would be likely to respond with immediate physical violence.
A "Clear and Present Danger": There must be a high probability that the other person will erupt into violence immediately.
What Typically Counts (and What Doesn't)California courts have narrowed this category so significantly that many highly offensive acts do not qualify:
Not Fighting Words: Profanity used for emphasis, general political slogans (e.g., "F--- the Draft" in Cohen v. California), or criticism of government officials.
Likely Fighting Words: Personally abusive epithets or racial slurs directed at an individual while challenging them to a physical fight.The "Unusually Sensitive" Rule: If someone is unusually aggressive or sensitive and reacts violently to words that would not provoke an average person, the speaker is generally protected.
Civil ProtectionsEven if speech does not meet the criminal "fighting words" threshold, it may still violate California civil laws. The Ralph Act (Civil Code § 51.7) protects individuals from threats of violence based on protected characteristics (like race or religion), allowing victims to seek civil damages and restraining orders even if the government cannot prosecute the speech as a crime.Does your case involve law enforcement or a private dispute between individuals?AI responses may include mistakes. For legal advice, consult a professional. Learn more11 sitesThe Fighting Words Exception to the First AmendmentMar 11, 2026 — Similarly, in Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971), while reversing the defendant's conviction for disturbing the peace based o...North Carolina Criminal Law BlogHate Crimes | State of California - Department of JusticeThe U.S. Constitution allows hate speech as long as it does not interfere with the civil rights of others. While these acts are ce...State of California - Department of Justice (.gov)Fighting Words | Constitution Annotated | Library of CongressThe Court held that government may not punish profane, vulgar, or opprobrious words simply because they are offensive, but only if...Library of Congress – Constitution Annotated (.gov)Show all

Starting a physical altercation is dangerous and to be avoided. People get killed or end up arrested, or it goes on your record and can cause issues later. Also, violence is wrong.

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Neimi was cruising for a brusing. marble falls May 11 #1
To the extent that I wonder what the "fighting words" defense is, if there is one in Cali. prodigitalson May 11 #3
"Fighting words" generally are not a defense to a physical assault onenote May 11 #12
Thanks for explaining prodigitalson Monday #25
Trump, our Christo Fascist Evangelicals, Fox News, and just dumb ass mouth breathing idiots make this ... Botany May 11 #2
Before anyone says they shouldn't have followed him...it could hurt his defense if charged prodigitalson May 11 #4
Jury of peers in Superior Court of LA? haele May 11 #6
See post #12. onenote May 11 #13
"Have you ever heard about the statistics coming out that gay men are much more likely to commit child molestation?" Ray Bruns May 11 #5
"influencer" is the most worthless title you can give yourself RainCaster May 11 #7
Niemi is a tube of dog shit. n/t SpankMe May 11 #8
So this 21 year-old screaming bigot, complete with posse, deliberately niyad May 11 #9
If I lived there, and assuming it actually went to trial, I would have no niyad May 11 #10
I would have lost it and did much worse Johnny2X2X May 11 #11
Niemi thought gays don't get physical azureblue May 11 #14
If this goes to trial, I can't imagine he would be convicted. LoisB May 11 #15
About damn time!!!! AverageOldGuy May 11 #16
I generally abhor violence, but it's the only language these bigots understand momta May 11 #17
One of my daughter's best friends is a gay guy she met in high school. patphil May 11 #18
There is the doctrine of using fighting words in common law. Jacson6 May 11 #19
You might be surprised. Not everyone is prepared to excuse physical violence in response to speech. Jedi Guy May 11 #23
See post #12. onenote May 12 #24
CA law somsai May 11 #20
You know what is weird AND twisted? Allowing known pedophiles to father their own children FakeNoose May 11 #21
Unfortunately, these shitwad "influencers" welcome the reaction flvegan May 11 #22
K&R ck4829 Monday #26
Apparently, MAGA's have so much inner turmoil and bitterness, they can't mind their own business dlk Monday #27
Thinking about how often the rw extremists project their own bad behavior onto others, FullySupportDems Monday #28
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