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TygrBright

(21,386 posts)
54. It is difficult to have useful discussions of this type of material, because...
Fri May 15, 2026, 06:50 PM
Friday

...we lack a meaningful epistemology of the phenomenon represented by people who use wealth to accrue and use power, and the first-line proxies they employ.

This may represent a small victory for those specifically concerned with the propaganda element of their operations, by the deployment of terms like "conspiracy" and "secret" and "shadowy" and the linking of such terms with concepts that peel away serious attention and valid analysis and discourage scrutiny on a wider level.

There is also an organic level of misdirection embedded in the terminology through various entertainment and storytelling media that use such terms ("conspiracy", etc.) in fictionalized constructs that postulate intentional and covert organizations and cooperation to contain the action into a useful story arc. At its most extreme fictionalization these are the organized and directed constructs of either individual supervillains or organized groups embedded within or acting on behalf of state factions.

Even the treatment of what we know as "organized crime" in the factual world is subject to this misdirective conceptualization and the imputation of much more coherent and broadly-postulated logistical organization than Occam's Razor will support. "Conspiracies" in the specific criminal sense are unquestionably real and unfortunately common, but they are rarely more complex than is needed to accomplish specific ends.

Instead, there is an organic, even ethnographic element to the kind of activity analyzed under the 'big, shadowy conspiracy with tentacles everywhere' construct. Water flows downhill. Backs are scratched, Knowledge of who can (and will) do what is acquired and remembered and used. Those who live within a particular milieu tend to interact, especially when shared interests come into play.

And the milieus themselves interlock and interlink based on the people within them, pursuing their natural interests, looking to contacts who have knowledge of other milieus when they need to expand into new areas. Then passing the useful information about proxies, investors, resources, etc. on in turn as a back scratch or part of yet another scheme involving others within their milieu.

Technology has certainly enabled higher levels of organization and knowledge-sharing that may, in function, appear as carefully planned constructs rather than natural functions that are predicated by the three factors of individuals involved, situational elements, and systemic configurations. Over time, efforts to increase the availability of situational targets by affecting the configuration of systems to enable opportunistic predation may look like masterminds closeted in a luxurious secret lair and planning to take over the world.

But it's more akin to how a river will wear away obstacles as it works out a path from its source to its outflow.

The real discussions need to be focused less on who is having a secret phone call to launder money to complete some specific criminal enterprise and more on how to decouple the connections between money and power. And on how to do so against the opposition of the broad category of powerful actors who have benefited from the vitiation of economic and legal constraints to keep power and money sequestered from each other.

And that must start with a careful, intentional propaganda war that focuses less on Spy vs. Spy conspiracies and streaming melodramas about power and corruption, and more on the realities of building and supporting social, political, and economic constructs that enable broad support for diverse populations, social mobility, participatory decision making, and future-focused incentives. It is unglamorous work. It isn't as exciting as seeing the bad guys and skeeves get their comeuppance. It takes generations and a willingness to make trade-offs of social rewards for personal rewards.

But as long as we can keep people distracted with constructing elaborate internet-based whiteboards with photos and clippings pasted onto them and threads forming an increasingly complicated macrame of the "conspiracy" we have less incentive to focus on structural change.

Sadly,
Bright

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who else is attacking Trump's prosecutors, and the man who convicted the rioters Trump pardoned, released bigtree Friday #1
Where are Merrick Garland and Lisa Monaco Today? gab13by13 Friday #2
Garland delayed in prosecuting Trump after GOP tried to delay his nomination for a huge loss of time. GreenWave Friday #4
Money, Power, Fascism -- The Octopus Kid Berwyn Friday #3
and the Supreme Court who not only enabled Trump back into office bigtree Friday #7
Garland did not stop the traitor nor his conspiracy. Kid Berwyn Friday #20
charges were brought some 17 months before the election bigtree Friday #22
In truth, it goes back to Dealey Plaza on 22 November 1963. Kid Berwyn Friday #24
The Berwyn Book Encyclopedia yellow dahlia Friday #64
The OCTOPUS in Dallas: Poppy involved in JFK Assassination Kid Berwyn Saturday #77
Thanks, Kid! yellow dahlia Saturday #78
Garland fell short for whatever reason and on that basis given the ramifications, was a colossal failure. Defending him KPN Friday #29
no, the courts fell short, then the American people followed bigtree Friday #36
Thanks for all the good information. Minds may not be changed, but facts will be out there. Joinfortmill Saturday #68
This message was self-deleted by its author Joinfortmill Friday #40
Agreed. The moment he knew of stolen state secrets he should arrested him... returnee Friday #49
the courts failed us bigtree Friday #50
As I understand it... returnee Saturday #66
The government brings the cases before the grand jury questionseverything 18 hrs ago #82
counterpunch was basically a Russian tool during the 2016 election bigtree Friday #12
CounterPunch sucks most when they publish an article I don't agree with. Kid Berwyn Friday #21
Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez is doing her courageous part with the Epstein horrors on her substack. Bumbles Friday #5
If Merrick Garland is really "one of them" then why wasn't he approved for SCOTUS? FakeNoose Friday #6
As Is Your Prerogative. But Don't Think You KNOW Garland...... ColoringFool Friday #9
most people who pretend he's some double agent don't know anything about the actual prosecution bigtree Friday #11
What became of those prosecutions? CivicGrief Friday #30
instead of just being trifled with this bigtree Friday #35
Ha! Future prosecutions. CivicGrief Friday #41
what's sad is the literal surrender from people claiming to be so concerned with prosecuting Trump bigtree Friday #47
If Jack Smith ever comes forward and says that Merrick Garland is actually "corrupt" and "in with them" FakeNoose Friday #53
Garland hate guarantees clicks MorbidButterflyTat Friday #33
Republicans prevented Garland Mad_Machine76 Friday #62
That's because Garland is not (and never was) one of them FakeNoose Saturday #74
I HAVE SAID MOST OF THIS, EVEN BCCI. AND THEN THE "WOOO! TINHAT!" COMMENTS...... ColoringFool Friday #8
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Friday #10
To people like Thiel, Musk, and their employees manipulating the data to get their and the Powers That Be .. Botany Friday #13
Don't forget the bomb threats karin_sj Friday #52
I've been saying the same thing for years. Irish_Dem Friday #18
May I suggest lonely bird Friday #14
So glad that he prioritized avoiding the appearance of a political agenda Orrex Friday #15
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Saturday #67
The Garland Society folks don't like this one bit. BannonsLiver Friday #16
Garland society folks are pro prosecution of Trump bigtree Friday #17
Bahahaha BannonsLiver Friday #25
no doubt the Anti-Trump Prosecution society exists bigtree Friday #37
Epstein class oligarchs irisblue Friday #19
😬 Floyd R. Turbo Friday #23
Bookmarking for later reading. Epstein-town? CoopersDad Friday #26
Maybe that's why it always seems like 1 step forward 2 steps back bucolic_frolic Friday #27
Well, one thing cannot be denied, Garland was an Obama SCOTUS choice. Joinfortmill Friday #28
True. My understanding was he selected Garland as someone the R Senate would surely approve -- part of his "team of KPN Friday #31
Great post/thread Botany, even if in small or even large part it is theory. Theory is what leads to finding facts and KPN Friday #32
All I know is, Trump never talks about Garland nor does he seek revenge against him thebigidea Friday #34
you have to be kidding bigtree Friday #38
I see you graduated to Trump Truth Social posts CivicGrief Friday #42
this is specious bigtree Friday #45
It's a false claim to imply Trump is going after Garland in the courts like he is everyone else thebigidea Friday #57
not yet bigtree Friday #59
It's possible that Donald is AFRAID of Garland, with good reason I might add. Joinfortmill Saturday #70
Is "Thiswillhold" the QAnon of the left? chowder66 Friday #39
It is BlueAnon. It pushes CT crackpottery that repeatededly has been debunked, yet it persists. Celerity Friday #43
Yes. mr715 Friday #56
I love history. I love mysteries. I love taking things... littlemissmartypants Friday #44
Knowledge is good Botany Friday #46
This thing, I call it the evil of psychopaths, has existed for all time. ... littlemissmartypants Friday #48
The best way out of our current predicament is arresting the evil doers questionseverything 18 hrs ago #83
by the way, the substack is conspiratorial claptrap bigtree Friday #51
It appears there is a good chance This Will Hold is actually Russian state sponsored disinformation Wiz Imp Saturday #76
It is difficult to have useful discussions of this type of material, because... TygrBright Friday #54
You mean we should be a.... reACTIONary Friday #65
Untangling the Octopus Kid Berwyn Friday #55
who is this new poster, and what expertise does he have for making these claims bigtree Friday #60
To help explain how Epstein was protected since Reagan. Kid Berwyn Saturday #73
Duh , kid is octo... octo is kid , he's a long time duer and he is always sourced questionseverything 18 hrs ago #81
It's disgusting to see this kooky CT nonsense rise to the top of the Greatest Page Fiendish Thingy Friday #58
Every bit of it is sourced and footnoted. Hardly kooky conspiracy theory. Botany Saturday #71
Thanks for sharing, Botany! That was an important read. It was jam packed. yellow dahlia Friday #61
This is why I have become a misanthrope. BigmanPigman Friday #63
Garland was blueknight73 Saturday #69
a tragic mistake themaguffin Saturday #75
Well, there's this. It seems that Merrick Garland was NOT popular with the Federalist Society Joinfortmill Saturday #72
Eaton Corporation LessAspin Saturday #79
And in 2021 Eaton bought Tripp Lite and that allowed the placement of firmware patches onto the Botany 22 hrs ago #80
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