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In reply to the discussion: We are making some changes to the moderating/jury system. (THIS IS IMPORTANT.) [View all]pipi_k
(21,020 posts)125. Just wanted to say...
        that I've never voted to hide a post based on someone's opinion or message, no matter how hard an alerter tried to plead a case for hiding.
I've seen a lot of that sort of thing.  Alerters trying to shut down a discussion (or shut up someone they don't agree with) by using the jury system.
And I've been on plenty of juries where the majority also saw through that tactic.
I think no matter what method is chosen in an attempt to keep things civil, there will always be some level of inconsistency, even if one person were given the job of judging each and every post...
 
								
                                        
                                        
							
								 
								
									
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                        We are making some changes to the moderating/jury system. (THIS IS IMPORTANT.) [View all]
							Skinner
							Sep 2013
							OP
                        
        
        If you're "singled out" by five randomly-selected juries the problem's probably in the mirror. (nt)
        Posteritatis
        Sep 2013
        #186
      
        
        If that many juries agree? Then of course it's the "victim's" fault. (nt)
        Posteritatis
        Sep 2013
        #203
      
        
        I believe most jury decisions are honest and fair. But I have been on the receiving end
        rhett o rick
        Sep 2013
        #252
      
        
        I don't have any problem with "leaving" a post when I feel the alert is bogus.
        winter is coming
        Sep 2013
        #205
      
        
        Yes, but if enough alerts are made on a person, it only takes 5 bogus to shut them up.
        rhett o rick
        Sep 2013
        #218
      
        
        Good. I am not the best with getting my point across. I may fight with others
        rhett o rick
        Sep 2013
        #246
      
        
        If singled out by say "a special group" and alerted on as a matter of being targeted
        Dragonfli
        Sep 2013
        #261
      
        
        I have seen the "Group" single out posters and attack.  Many have not reacted
        rhett o rick
        Sep 2013
        #276
      
        
        This has been the case with me. That's why I had left. But these new rules convinced me
        BlueCaliDem
        Oct 2013
        #395
      
        
        He is saying that you only get hidden if you are guilty.  Those that get hidden deserve it.
        rhett o rick
        Oct 2013
        #399
      
        
        I got one (my first ever) and it shocked me. I've been walking (posting) on coals since.
        tofuandbeer
        Sep 2013
        #278
      
        
        I just went and looked at my transparency page, because, well, hit the right nerve
        tavalon
        Sep 2013
        #326
      
        
        Me too. I don't think this is what is meant (at least I hope not. I like serving on the juries!)
        anneboleyn
        Sep 2013
        #117
      
        
        That, coupled with every alert going to admin should head off bad-faith alerters.  nt
        msanthrope
        Sep 2013
        #38
      
        
        There is always appeal to the admins. I think if someone gets their posting privls suspended and
        stevenleser
        Sep 2013
        #52
      
        
        The admins would see a pattern, I think.  They might be able to get away with it once. nt
        MADem
        Sep 2013
        #254
      
        
        Occasionally you get bad jury decisions. If enough alerts are thrown against the DU wall
        rhett o rick
        Sep 2013
        #247
      
        
        True. I wish personal attacks were hidden more often. It's a real simple idea. Don't attack DUers...
        stevenleser
        Sep 2013
        #101
      
        
        I agree. Alerters should pay a price for malicious alerts or alerts for non-aler table issues.
        bluestate10
        Sep 2013
        #176
      
        
        I love OTTO! I hope this means he is not leaving us because he is needed for you know who.
        hrmjustin
        Sep 2013
        #45
      
        
        I don't think there's anything in the OP that changes Otto's relationship with MIRT
        Lasher
        Sep 2013
        #180
      
        
        The only thing that changes is we have to manually ban people who just sign up and get a hidden
        hrmjustin
        Sep 2013
        #181
      
        
        Yes. I have definitely noticed this while serving on juries. Some use it to "shame"
        anneboleyn
        Sep 2013
        #124
      
        
        Spam alerts are the quickest ones to jury, IMO.  I don't mind getting those.
        winter is coming
        Sep 2013
        #214
      
        
        Much needed changes...especially addressing the small group that "hidden posts" does not influence..
        hlthe2b
        Sep 2013
        #28
      
        
        Of course this will not stop anyone who votes to hide on the basis of them not liking someone.
        L0oniX
        Sep 2013
        #32
      
        
        Yes and boorish behavior reflects on the individuals lack of respect for others.
        bluesbassman
        Sep 2013
        #50
      
        
        No, it reflects a realization that some people are the posting equivalent of Ted Bundy
        stevenleser
        Sep 2013
        #62
      
        
        Saying they do well means they run the site well. Any comparisons to Beck are despicable.
        Hekate
        Sep 2013
        #358
      
        
        Of course the owner has an agenda.  It's written up succinctly in the Mission Statement.  So what?
        cbayer
        Sep 2013
        #208
      
        
        Considering a lot of jury comments would get nuked in the forums, I agree. (nt)
        Posteritatis
        Sep 2013
        #188
      
        
        If you are keeping people from posting after 5 x's you should also monitor for excessive alerts.
        dkf
        Sep 2013
        #74
      
        
        Bans should be for 6/6 jury results. The haters are shotgunning their alerts and hoping for a jury
        Kolesar
        Sep 2013
        #83
      
        
        Yes, that may also make some people think when their hostility is exposed in comments.
        freshwest
        Sep 2013
        #184
      
        
        Best thing you'v done since nuking META!  Thanks for making this a better place
        Rowdyboy
        Sep 2013
        #76
      
        
        And so the jurists on DU are just like people picked off the street for live jury duty
        tavalon
        Sep 2013
        #340
      
        
        I'm wondering if not enough material is going to be sent to MIRT, but over-all, I like these changes
        Ian David
        Sep 2013
        #86
      
        
        Oh well. What the heck? I applaud this move even though it means I'll have to tone it down.
        Pretzel_Warrior
        Sep 2013
        #87
      
        
        "But if you don't violate the rules View profile then the jury is going to support you?"
        Pab Sungenis
        Sep 2013
        #129
      
        
        Good idea, either that or there should be some new penalty for frivolous alerts
        quinnox
        Sep 2013
        #136
      
        
        You should double the number of entries on the jury blacklist as well.
        cherokeeprogressive
        Sep 2013
        #122
      
        
        I like it. Sounds like the small percentage of duers who would brag about their hidden posts
        quinnox
        Sep 2013
        #128
      
        
        If 100 Tories or 100 Larouchies showed up to *disrupt* the Democratic forum with half-truths
        Kolesar
        Sep 2013
        #172
      
        
        No matter how 'popular' you might be or how 'popular' you see yourself
        Grateful for Hope
        Sep 2013
        #178
      
        
        "The administrators are getting increasingly concerned about the small number of members...
        RevStPatrick
        Sep 2013
        #142
      
        
        It's the low-count posters who post unnecessary rude comments that draw attention.
        pacalo
        Sep 2013
        #216
      
        
        "STARTING 90 DAYS FROM TODAY, if you have five hidden posts on your account you will be unable..."
        Taverner
        Sep 2013
        #146
      
        
        Try clever, biting sarcasm, as opposed to a lot of profanity and troll accusations.
        Nye Bevan
        Sep 2013
        #173
      
        
        Well Juror #4's response is now going to be the automatic response of the system. n/t
        whopis01
        Sep 2013
        #194
      
        
        K&R! And apparently three other members recced this at the exact same time I did.
        Rhiannon12866
        Sep 2013
        #160
      
        
        No TOS check box? The Neidermeyer / Marmalard faction of DU won't like that at all.
        Amerigo Vespucci
        Sep 2013
        #206
      
        
        I've served on several juries where the post was reported due to disagreeing with it
        Trekologer
        Sep 2013
        #220
      
        
        I suggest that if 5 hides causes you to lose posting privileges, you still should be
        rhett o rick
        Sep 2013
        #250
      
        
        I generally think these rules are very reasonable, I do caution on one thing however
        Bjorn Against
        Sep 2013
        #272
      
        
        You can alert on jury results. Look at the bottom of the reslts and you will see the alert button.
        hrmjustin
        Sep 2013
        #277
      
        
        Well I am on Mirt and a host of several rooms and I can tell you things have gone downhill very
        hrmjustin
        Sep 2013
        #283
      
        
        Mirt was alerted the same time the rest of DU was about this  What I am saying is if you see
        hrmjustin
        Sep 2013
        #285
      
        
        You can start an anything goes discussion forum really easily. And I will bet it will be a hit
        stevenleser
        Sep 2013
        #332
      
        
        Sometimes stepping away from the computer and denying those people what they want
        tavalon
        Sep 2013
        #325
      
        
        Good on you -- this should help. Can we look forward to a few more as Primary season approaches?
        Hekate
        Sep 2013
        #290
      
        
        While I applaud any efforts to improve this website, there are other issues that should be addressed
        Sheldon Cooper
        Sep 2013
        #308
      
        
        Bullying by jurors ideologically aligned with bullies who attack without consequences
        carolinayellowdog
        Sep 2013
        #312
      
        
        I am amazed that DU is still online with all the attacks it's had over the years
        nolabels
        Sep 2013
        #388