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Bluetus

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19. Sodium and Lithium both have 1 valence electron
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 02:21 PM
Apr 2025

So their charging properties should be similar. The main difference is that sodium has much greater atomic weight (I.e. more dead weight for that one productive electron).

However, charging speed depends on many factors. And at the same time CATL, BYD and others are moving to sodium, they are also working toward solid state or semi-solid state packages, and some of those can tolerate a much faster charging rate.

So far, Na-ion batteries should be considered experimental. There are a few EVs in production in China, but they are small city cars with limited range. For the moment, practically all EVs use either NMC (expensive, best range) or LFP (cheaper). It is common to have one model use LFP for lower trim levels and NMC for higher trim levels. By 2030, I expect lower priced cars will be mostly using Na-ion and the higher priced models using lithium, but in a solid state format.

The key thing for Americans to understand is that this is dominated by the CHinese, and to a lesser degree Korea and Japan. Tesla has never been a battery player. They already replied on Panasonic, and more recently have to buy a lot of product from CATL. This is all a direct result of the Limbaugh/Fox/Ailes RW machine that fought every attempt to drive energy leadership in the US. Now we are screwed. China will dominate this area for the rest of anybody's life who is reading this in 2025.

Well done, MAGA people.

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Therefore fair to ask why we need minerals from Greenland and Ukraine? /nt bucolic_frolic Apr 2025 #1
The new oil Blackjackdavey Apr 2025 #4
The chemistry is in flux Bluetus Apr 2025 #6
Interesting Blackjackdavey Apr 2025 #10
It means that sodium is plentiful. Bluetus Apr 2025 #15
Have you read about Sodium ION? Interesting read Bengus81 Apr 2025 #14
Yes. Things are moving very quickly. Bluetus Apr 2025 #16
Yeah...hell Trump doesn't understand basic technology or even care. It's just money Bengus81 Apr 2025 #17
Sodium and Lithium both have 1 valence electron Bluetus Apr 2025 #19
Good points. The plutocrats exerting leverage to buy cheap. erronis Apr 2025 #11
"Largely in republican areas." Good. Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #2
The rest of the world will soon leave the US in the dust, technologically. sinkingfeeling Apr 2025 #3
hey! the brilliant tech bros et tu Apr 2025 #5
China already has when it come to EVs! much less expensive, much better quality than tesla and charge in 5 min PortTack Apr 2025 #9
Also medical research and other scientific fields Martin Eden Apr 2025 #18
I am simultaneously amused and disgusted to hear the routine asignment of the word... NNadir Apr 2025 #7
Deliberately exacerbating catastrophic climate change Martin Eden Apr 2025 #8
Electric cars have very little to do with addressing extreme global heating. Where I live, they're worse... NNadir Apr 2025 #20
So we are now going to allow China to take the lead on EV's? Wow! n/t aggiesal Apr 2025 #12
. dalton99a Apr 2025 #13
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