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cadoman

(1,502 posts)
29. some wild historical parallels here
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 09:30 AM
Jun 13
https://www.tpr.org/2025-06-10/what-happened-when-lyndon-johnson-federalized-the-national-guard

Sort of a moral version of the resistance to desegregation going on, but similar battle over the legalese of who (Governor or President) can do what & when.

"Regardless of whether Defendants gave Governor Newsom an opportunity to
consult with them or consent to the federalization of California’s National Guard, they did
not issue their orders through him, and thus failed to comply with § 12406."


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/12406

"the President may call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws. Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia."


It looks like Wallace and Faubus never challenged on these grounds, that I can see? But it'd be a similar situation where the Governor and President are in dissent as to how the Guard should be used. Looks like a very good challenge that hooked Dumpf on some details that the racist governors never considered. Hate can blind a persons judgement.

Also some good discussion within on the definitions of insurrection, rebellion, etc. Basically, just because some of the protestors were violent, doesn't take away the right of the other protestors to assemble.

"In short, individuals right to protest the government is one of the fundamental rights protected by the First Amendment, and just because some stray bad actors go too far does not wipe out that right for everyone. The idea that protesters can so quickly cross the line between protected conduct and “rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States” is untenable and dangerous."

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ICE Barbie can take herself back to Washington DC. Irish_Dem Jun 12 #1
Perhaps permanently to effing zorbasd Jun 12 #6
Thank you for teaching me how to cuss with numbers. Irish_Dem Jun 12 #17
Botox Barbie puppy killer kimbutgar Jun 12 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Irish_Dem Jun 12 #19
Along with all the heavy hair extensions pulling on the scalp. Irish_Dem Jun 12 #20
Link to ruling: EarthFirst Jun 12 #2
Thanks! BumRushDaShow Jun 12 #7
So, will he? sheshe2 Jun 12 #3
My first thought, why should he? Who's gonna enforce the ruling? The same folks enforcing all the others? Magoo48 Jun 13 #30
IKR? 😞 sheshe2 Jun 13 #31
Next question: TSF give his orders and Gov. Newsom gives his orders. no_hypocrisy Jun 12 #4
I saw a DU post that if the NG or military are there illegally Marthe48 Jun 12 #5
Interesting. Sounds right. no_hypocrisy Jun 12 #10
I hope the NG commanders will support the U.S. Constitution Marthe48 Jun 12 #13
let's get a judge to order traitor felon to return control of the U.S. to sane people Marthe48 Jun 12 #8
I suspect Trump's trying to set the stage for instituting Martial Law for the entire State. cstanleytech Jun 12 #9
Ya think? hamsterjill Jun 12 #11
Interesting that after New Mexico's limited NG activation to assist Albuquerque police several weeks ago Ponietz Jun 12 #12
That is interesting. hamsterjill Jun 12 #14
Oh yay, hildegaard28 Jun 13 #26
better than a domestic conflict that destroys our economy cadoman Jun 13 #27
This made me smile LetMyPeopleVote Jun 12 #15
Then the Appeals court happened madville Jun 13 #25
I recommend taking the time to read the decision. TomSlick Jun 12 #16
I find it difficult reading leaglese Skittles Jun 13 #21
some wild historical parallels here cadoman Jun 13 #29
very interesting analysis, thanks! Skittles Jun 13 #32
Newsome should just order them back to their stations oldmanlynn Jun 13 #22
Newsom Basso8vb Jun 13 #28
I doubt Trump will comply Diraven Jun 13 #23
Appeals court temporarily blocks judge's ruling to return control of National Guard to California LauraInLA Jun 13 #24
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