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60. No. what a handful of posters are trying to articulate

Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:53 PM

Oct 20

Is that the idea that the area in question was just 'happy families', until the advent of Zionism - is significantly in error.
And neither endorsement nor condemnation of the current State is either necessary or included in that simple statement of fact.

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Israeli military launches attack on Gaza, Israeli media reports [View all] irisblue Oct 19 OP

As long as Hamas exists the chance for anything resembling peace is zero. madaboutharry Oct 19 #1

As long as Palestinians exist in their homeland the chance for anything resembling peace* is zero. AloeVera Oct 19 #3

Over two million Palestinians existed in Israel for decades. Glorious bastard Oct 19 #7

Netanyahu's plan WmChris Oct 19 #11

IMHO, Netanyahu's plans doesn't extended beyond saving his ass. Glorious bastard Oct 19 #14

Israelis existed in Palestine for hundreds of years before the Zionists came from Europe. LiberalArkie Oct 19 #17

I think that is a rather confused perception stopdiggin Oct 19 #25

Yes indeed. And everyone was relatively peaceful until the Balfour Declaration. LiberalArkie Oct 19 #28

WITHOUT Israel - or any notion of ANY form of Jewish state stopdiggin Oct 19 #32

Except the periods of warfare waged by various powers like Glorious bastard Oct 19 #54

Treatment of Jews in pre- Israeli Palestine Mossfern Oct 19 #33

Yes - but, "everyone mostly got along .." stopdiggin Oct 19 #35

Yeah Mossfern Oct 20 #57

You did it to me so I am free to do it to you. Is that what you're getting at? paleotn Oct 19 #40

No Mossfern Oct 19 #47

No. what a handful of posters are trying to articulate stopdiggin Oct 20 #60

Israelis only existed between around 900 BC to around 650 BC Glorious bastard Oct 19 #53

Not decades, sir, MILLENNIA! Seriously, got history?? Exp Oct 19 #44

I am not sure what you intended to fix for me, but whatever it is, Glorious bastard Oct 19 #52

Nearly all land was stolen at one point in time, or lost in war Polybius Oct 19 #43

I agree with this except for the fact fujiyamasan Oct 19 #38

And some forces that don't reach very far at all.... paleotn Oct 19 #39

There is no certainty of whether this was Hamas or moniss Oct 19 #42

We were told all that was necessary was for iemanja Oct 20 #56

"Trump-brand peace will last 3,000 years. Trust me." - Republican Felon-in-Chief Champp Oct 19 #2

More like 3 days, if that. ananda Oct 19 #10

Terror operatives fired RPGs at Israeli troops in Rafah today, says IDF, prompting airstrikes Glorious bastard Oct 19 #4

Yep. And thanks for being the single post on this thread .. stopdiggin Oct 19 #29

Is there a Nobel Failed Peace Prize TSF can get? sinkingfeeling Oct 19 #5

GOP failed foreign policy in action. bronxiteforever Oct 19 #6

What Traildogbob Oct 19 #9

Well, this is no surprise, but it is sad. Biophilic Oct 19 #8

This was a charade from the beginning PSPS Oct 19 #12

Exactly. NH Ethylene Oct 19 #15

then Hamas must be playing on the Kushner/Trump team as well .. ? stopdiggin Oct 19 #27

Thus continues Netanyahu's years-long campaign of deliberate civilian murder Orrex Oct 19 #13

"...U.S.-mediated ceasefire..." MorbidButterflyTat Oct 19 #48

Weren't we betting it would hold for two weeks? Turbineguy Oct 19 #16

It was great the hostages were returned, but the impression I got from much of the media was that Fil1957 Oct 19 #18

look at Netti's track record - he has done this before - azureblue Oct 19 #50

Bibi used the, "peace," to get Gazans to come back home, Bayard Oct 19 #19

Well, to build hotels, resorts, condos Bettie Oct 19 #36

The cease firer lasted longer than I thought it would. republianmushroom Oct 19 #20

I'm 90% sure that the apricothellbeast is more hated then Shrub Bush was in 2003-2009 irisblue Oct 19 #21

Welllllll......since you asked Farmer-Rick Oct 19 #23

The I.D.F. LOVES to BOMB Gaza!. Antifa Ideology will NEVER FORGIVE. Exp Oct 19 #22

Ah Shit pwb Oct 19 #24

Good thing there was a peace agreement WestMichRad Oct 19 #26

Gosh! What a totally unexpected surprise! Let the genocide resume! Iggo Oct 19 #30

So let me get this straight Bluestocking Oct 19 #31

From the minute the cease fire was announced, we all knew this was a farce. Paper Roses Oct 19 #34

Was only a matter of time. paleotn Oct 19 #37

Just look at this jackass. LudwigPastorius Oct 19 #41

Ah, the art of the Trump deal strikes again! n/t AntiFascist Oct 19 #45

So I guess this means that Trump is down to Bluetus Oct 19 #46

The last thing I would do is defend Hamas or any such group that launches terrorist attacks and takes hostages fujiyamasan Oct 19 #49

They didn't have any hostages two years ago, yet they attacked. Glorious bastard Oct 19 #55

It wasn't just odd -- it was evil and stupid fujiyamasan Oct 20 #58

And yet, two years ago, being evil and stupid, they attacked without having hostages as bargaining chips. Glorious bastard Oct 20 #59

Why would they also bother giving up the only leverage they had? fujiyamasan Oct 20 #61

Because the price they paid for holding them became too high. Glorious bastard Oct 21 #62

This reminds me ofstories from before trump brought peace to the Middle East. mwb970 Oct 19 #51