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128. She was retreating from him

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #115)

Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:31 AM

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He kept advancing towards her despite verbal warnings and the visible presence of the gun. His behavior suggests he was not of sound mind at the time and was capable of of doing anything.

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Man fatally shot in Walmart parking lot following dispute over parking space: Authorities [View all] groundloop Jul 3 OP

Good news for her. Now, she'll have her own, permanent parking space. 3Hotdogs Jul 3 #1

His parking spot will be in an urn over the fireplace wolfie001 Jul 3 #16

Oofff Hassin Bin Sober Jul 3 #87

Ah, America. Where the answer to every problem is a gun. sinkingfeeling Jul 3 #2

It was a middle aged Black woman angrychair Jul 3 #35

it would SEEM you are correct but.... democratsruletheday Jul 3 #38

Why didn't she get in her car or walk into the store? I don't accept killing a person when there were other solutions. sinkingfeeling Jul 3 #39

What I saw was him closing the distance to her Kaleva Jul 3 #42

She initially got out of the car with a gun in her hand. That might be a problem for her. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 3 #94

Time will tell Kaleva Jul 3 #107

She tried angrychair Jul 3 #45

White Privilege Dlpger61 Jul 5 #126

Retail stores have parking adequate for the holiday shopping season Blumancru Jul 3 #3

There's more to the story than this. flvegan Jul 3 #4

"Around the parking lot?" ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 3 #5

Testosterone poisoning? Miguelito Loveless Jul 3 #7

From the video, she appears to be a Woman of Color, that wish is going to be hard to get in Fla irisblue Jul 3 #18

Yes, she warned him several times, backed away from him again and again, tried to put cars between them. Midnight Writer Jul 3 #22

100%. and Thank You! (for putting some realistic perspective on this incident) stopdiggin Jul 3 #29

Wow what a nasty take. Wiz Imp Jul 3 #23

nah. asshat really brought this on himself. stopdiggin Jul 3 #30

She did more than most would angrychair Jul 3 #36

It looked like a clear case of self defense to me Kaleva Jul 3 #43

Wow. Unbelievable. Wiz Imp Jul 3 #44

If the guy was rational, he would have retreated the moment he saw the Gun Kaleva Jul 3 #50

and called for cops to arrest her for threatening him muriel_volestrangler Jul 3 #62

No one in their right mind would approach someone with a gun Kaleva Jul 3 #104

It's a stand your ground state. NutmegYankee Jul 3 #54

SOmething was also seriously wrong with that woman. Wiz Imp Jul 3 #56

A jury will have to consider what he said prior, if anything, to advancing toward her. LudwigPastorius Jul 3 #57

100% agree bluestarone Jul 3 #74

As a whole, we ARE a disappointing species. There good people among us but I fear we are in societal collapse. OrlandoDem2 Jul 3 #11

Listen to the news story. Wiz Imp Jul 3 #26

That isn't the whole story angrychair Jul 3 #37

stop making sense.... democratsruletheday Jul 3 #40

People should be nicer to one another. twodogsbarking Jul 3 #6

Don't wanna make it about me but as a 66 yo white male..... wolfie001 Jul 3 #15

It looks like he was stalking her but she should have retreated to her car and not brandished the gun. Ritabert Jul 3 #8

Stop shopping at Walmart. So many People of Walmart suck! OrlandoDem2 Jul 3 #9

He seemed intent on a physical confrontation, despite her pointing a gun 70sEraVet Jul 3 #10

+1. dalton99a Jul 3 #19

maybe it's the "Exception that Proves the Rule" Hieronymus Phact Jul 3 #28

Plus 2 bluestarone Jul 3 #75

I'm Sorry, But She Had Ample Opportunities to Return to the Store, Drive Off, Whatever DrFunkenstein Jul 3 #12

She tried angrychair Jul 3 #41

I didn't see in the video where he was preventing her from driving off MichMan Jul 3 #46

In Florida that's legal angrychair Jul 3 #51

I noticed MorbidButterflyTat Jul 3 #67

Old loser white guy kept on wolfie001 Jul 3 #13

I am guessing that there is a backstory here, and not a pretty one. niyad Jul 3 #14

If This Was a Black Man and a White Woman, Imagine the Fox News Coverage and Campaign Ads DrFunkenstein Jul 3 #17

This could go either way NewEnglandAutumn Jul 3 #20

It was an argument over a parking spot. sop Jul 3 #21

If the guy was rational, he would have backed off as soon as he saw the gun Kaleva Jul 3 #47

Those are a lot of assumptions to justify shooting a man to death in a parking lot. sop Jul 3 #55

I certainly didn't see anything in the video that justified a shooting. NT Midwestern Democrat Jul 3 #48

Floriduh. SergeStorms Jul 3 #24

She didn't have to kill him, that's how the jury would see it FakeNoose Jul 3 #25

People are touchy these days. ananda Jul 3 #27

This is the Supreme Court's America J_William_Ryan Jul 3 #31

Had he the brains to back up & call the police saying a woman was threatening him with a gun, Wonder Why Jul 3 #32

I'm Pretty Sure Everyone Here Was Operating From The Amygdala, Except One Had a Handgun DrFunkenstein Jul 3 #34

Clearly angrychair Jul 3 #53

Why did she exit her car brandishing the gun instead of just driving away? MichMan Jul 3 #33

By law, she isn't required to drive away Kaleva Jul 3 #49

She isn't required to shoot and kill either MichMan Jul 3 #60

larger male repeatedly physically advancing on female that is (repeatedly) stopdiggin Jul 3 #71

Based on what I saw, I'd say her actions were resonable Kaleva Jul 3 #105

Some of these responses are disturbing angrychair Jul 3 #52

Why does race have to be a factor? MichMan Jul 3 #58

Why does gender have to be a factor? MorbidButterflyTat Jul 3 #69

Why should race be ignored? Torchlight Jul 3 #70

Because, it always about skin color angrychair Jul 3 #72

"People haven't even seen the video" MichMan Jul 3 #95

I'm not assuming anything angrychair Jul 3 #96

We have video; he was not in a position to physically threaten her muriel_volestrangler Jul 3 #61

Interesting angrychair Jul 3 #73

I might put it as "the unarmed person didn't do anything wrong or threatening" muriel_volestrangler Jul 3 #76

Then the unarmed man angrychair Jul 3 #79

I don't see "might is right" as a good guiding principle muriel_volestrangler Jul 3 #81

No angrychair Jul 3 #86

'Malice'? No. Recklessness, yes. muriel_volestrangler Jul 3 #88

We are done angrychair Jul 3 #90

"Victim blaming"? I'm not blaming the victim. The victim is the dead guy. muriel_volestrangler Jul 3 #91

But his behavior was irrational Kaleva Jul 4 #111

Being irrational is not a reason to be shot. muriel_volestrangler Jul 4 #113

Approaching someone armed with a gun is highly irrational behavior Kaleva Jul 4 #114

No: we must be absolutely clear: her behaviour was extremely irrational, and she killed him as a result muriel_volestrangler Jul 4 #115

She was retreating from him Kaleva Monday #128

She killed him; he never threatened her. He is the victim. muriel_volestrangler Monday #129

Should she have waited until he started beating her ass? sarisataka Monday #130

She should have waited until he threatened significant injury. muriel_volestrangler Monday #131

What was he shouting? was he making threats? sarisataka Monday #132

Except he was walking slowly, so it would have been physically impossible to cover it "in a fraction of a second" muriel_volestrangler Monday #133

A man can change his speed instantly sarisataka Monday #134

Again, not physically possible. That's not how the human body works. muriel_volestrangler Monday #135

That is exactly how the body works sarisataka Monday #136

You can begin running. You can't suddenly cover 15 feet in a fraction of a second. muriel_volestrangler Monday #137

I must admit to an error and the time to close a gap sarisataka Monday #138

That 21 foot "rule" is for someone already running muriel_volestrangler Monday #139

Incorrect sarisataka Monday #140

OK, I see that tests from a standing start were done muriel_volestrangler Monday #141

I believe it is relevant sarisataka Monday #142

Your post is irrational muriel_volestrangler Monday #143

It is completely rational sarisataka Monday #144

No, it does not beg the question "what is a physical threat?" muriel_volestrangler Monday #145

I look forward to you one day sarisataka Monday #146

sorry, I see her as a gun humper Skittles Jul 3 #102

Sorry angrychair Jul 3 #103

SHE could have driven away too Skittles Jul 3 #106

He was the aggressor angrychair Jul 3 #108

That's just stupid. I can't imagine shooting someone over a parking space. Vinca Jul 3 #59

I am not to say this was justified or not, but I have a question sarisataka Jul 3 #63

He should have MichMan Jul 3 #64

So she is just supposed to stand there angrychair Jul 3 #77

You see an "attack"; I see an argument muriel_volestrangler Jul 3 #78

I see centerists angrychair Jul 3 #82

As I said, I really don't understand where "centrists" come into this muriel_volestrangler Jul 3 #83

No angrychair Jul 3 #89

Very few people deserve to be killed sarisataka Jul 3 #84

Another thing to keep in mind is that... LudwigPastorius Jul 4 #110

I agree Kaleva Jul 4 #112

Bottom line, stupidity got him killed. Buddyzbuddy Jul 3 #65

"That's an entitled man that was used to scaring other people into doing what he wanted." MorbidButterflyTat Jul 3 #68

Leave it to judge and jury. Sneederbunk Jul 3 #66

Black woman, white older man csusan Jul 3 #80

Did you pull out a gun and shoot your SIL brother? MichMan Jul 4 #123

No csusan Jul 4 #125

Having been right is poor consolation when you're dead or in prison. RockRaven Jul 3 #85

In MN, she'd be incarcerated, whatever her story, because she didn't physically run away first. OC375 Jul 3 #92

MN has castle doctrine sarisataka Jul 3 #93

Castle doctrine in name only. OC375 Jul 3 #97

Can you provide a case sarisataka Jul 3 #98

State vs Blevins 2024 OC375 Jul 3 #99

Not in the home sarisataka Jul 3 #100

We'll have to see... OC375 Jul 3 #101

you have completely misrepresented almost the entirety of what the stopdiggin Jul 4 #109

We'll see OC375 Jul 4 #116

But are you retreating if you get out of your car with a gun in your hand? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 4 #117

Unrelated sarisataka Jul 4 #118

The man was shouting; the woman was pointing a gun at him. muriel_volestrangler Jul 4 #119

That is for a grand jury to decide sarisataka Jul 4 #120

We do see her getting out of her car with the gun; at that time, he's out of the frame muriel_volestrangler Jul 4 #121

Did he make any threats during their confrontation sarisataka Jul 4 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Jul 4 #124

Which one stood the ground best? OAITW r.2.0 Jul 5 #127