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seabeyond

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17. would you really accept the definition of feminine to be nurturer. you, a father,

Thu May 16, 2013, 04:10 PM

May 2013

that has equally if not more, raised your boys? that it is a role of woman. and you follow behind without much credit or validity in that role?

man. my brothers would not.

any more than i would take a back seat to my abilities in leadership roles, or moral roles or anything else on your list.

BUT... i am absolutely right there with you in not allowing a negative definition oh say, femininity is being CARED for by a man cause we wimmins just cant seem to do it ourselves.

sigh...

that is why i do not accept any of this crap. none of it makes a lick of sense to me. what i pull out of it is ...

lets take leadership. there are lots of very masculine men that have no desire, ability, or want to be in a leadership role. i wouldnt want them to feel any less a man.

and that leadership role gets awfully close to that leadership role in a family that the rw christian coalition harps on, so i am really weary with that one.

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What is masculinity? [View all] lumberjack_jeff May 2013 OP

simply galileoreloaded May 2013 #1

I answered this question in another thread: ZombieHorde May 2013 #2

I think if you're not creating that definition for yourself, you're missing the key point. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #5

What is the benefit of defining masculinity? nt ZombieHorde May 2013 #9

Self esteem. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #13

The part about self esteem seems right to me. ZombieHorde May 2013 #41

I think I'd agree that masculinity is mostly if not entirely subjective. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #42

Hmmmm. Okay, I've got #4, down. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #6

If racoons weren't up to no good they wouldn't feel the need to wear those masks. nt ZombieHorde May 2013 #10

Those things freak me out. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #14

The solution isn't to shoot them, but shoot *near* them. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #16

Good advice. ZombieHorde May 2013 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author radicalliberal Feb 2016 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author radicalliberal Jul 2016 #50

To me those should be adult characteristics noamnety May 2013 #3

"I guess I'm trying to contrast that with femininity, and what that list would look like." lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #4

which one of these traits are exclusively male? nt seabeyond May 2013 #7

Are the only valid feminine traits ones that zero men exhibit? lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #8

i am totally clueless about this whole femininity crap, too. i have ask for people to help me out seabeyond May 2013 #11

I think the same arguments hold true for women and femininity. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #15

would you really accept the definition of feminine to be nurturer. you, a father, seabeyond May 2013 #17

possibly becase you are more masculine than many women galileoreloaded May 2013 #20

nope. my ring finger is not longer than index. yes, i have a very pumped up seabeyond May 2013 #24

serum T is a very apt predictor of male aggression and masculine traits. galileoreloaded May 2013 #29

lol lol... ya. i gotcha. the monkey thing. those promoting the T the most are the ones that seabeyond May 2013 #30

what do they call people that shun science? galileoreloaded May 2013 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond May 2013 #33

I accept your definition of feminine that you apply to you as valid. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #21

ok. that is not MY definition. i do not have a definition. that is the issue. cause your seabeyond May 2013 #25

Nurture can take on different meanings to different people Major Nikon May 2013 #44

i can explain how femininity manifests galileoreloaded May 2013 #19

Without knowing more about the guy... lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #22

its rob zombie galileoreloaded May 2013 #28

The post to which I'm replying is almost three years old. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #47

wha??? i see nothing in that picture that lets me know how feminine nor how masculine. nada. seabeyond May 2013 #26

My view of feminity is the same as my view on masculinity. ZombieHorde May 2013 #23

i do too. and the older i get, the more sure i am. raising two boys and seeing how they seabeyond May 2013 #27

I also like this discussion and in no way meant to reject Lumber's thread. nt ZombieHorde May 2013 #31

I don't really disagree that any rhetorical definition is on shaky footing. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #34

That sounds wise to me. nt ZombieHorde May 2013 #35

but... i do need to say, i appreciate the thread and the effort you make in the defining. seabeyond May 2013 #12

I do not understand why masculinity or femininity MadrasT May 2013 #36

This is more the case, in my opinion, of reclaiming Bonobo May 2013 #37

I had a similar thought several hours later. MadrasT May 2013 #40

Funny, I say essentially the same thing Warren DeMontague May 2013 #38

Too complicated to define just like feminity. RiffRandell May 2013 #39

"Masculine" is one end of a continuum of which the other end is "Feminine" HuskiesHowls May 2013 #43

baby, don't hurt me. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #45

Masculinity is a who not a what. westerebus May 2013 #46

to be a man scubasteve76 Feb 2016 #49

it's... here2help Jul 2016 #51