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NNadir

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Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:55 AM Jan 2025

What Is Not Being Discussed About the LA Fires. [View all]

It is well known, and widely reported in the scientific literature, that health risks from wildfires in terms of air pollutants exist and are profound. Since 2021, Google Scholar reports over 21,000 papers on the topic.

Based on the search terms I used, there are far fewer concerning residential fires, and the toxicology of the smoke.

Here's one open sourced paper on the topic I came across: Horn, G.P., Dow, N.W. & Neumann, D.L. Pilot Study on Fire Effluent Condensate from Full Scale Residential Fires. Fire Technol 60, 1–18 (2024)

I don't have any special insight to this topic, but it occurs to me that burning residential (and commercial) buildings in the LA area should generate a set of volatile pollutants very similar to those generated in the World Trade Center Attack and subsequent fires.

Whether we acknowledge it or not, our residences, when combusted, are a toxicological nightmare of polymers, electronics (containing a plethora of potentially volatilizable and highly toxic metals) and (believe it or not) toxic flame retardants, solvents and other chemicals.

The health consequences of these fires will persist for decades.

Things will get worse, not better, as extreme global heating accelerates, an acceleration that will increase (the third derivative) with time given the international (and notably in the suicidal United States) deliberate embrace of ignorance.

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There may, arguably, be greater risks from mixed residential/commercial fires than from WTC buildings. CoopersDad Jan 2025 #1
Seriously. The mixture of toxins from all that is mindboggling. paleotn Jan 2025 #5
I'm not sure about that choie Jan 2025 #15
The main problem with the Twin Towers... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #34
We need to Build Back Better with Cement Buildings Oneear Jan 2025 #2
Three dimensional and printed was my first thought. littlemissmartypants Jan 2025 #8
Cement buildings aren't necessarily good in earthquake country Zorro Jan 2025 #14
All concrete in earthquake areas will have to be re-enforced. Old Crank Jan 2025 #27
Stucco and Tile roof has been best with other California fires IbogaProject Jan 2025 #30
Stucco does preform quite well. Old Crank Jan 2025 #33
I've been looking at concrete -- it is a bit more complicated here because of earthquakes. LauraInLA Jan 2025 #16
Stucco and Tile roof are best bet there IbogaProject Jan 2025 #32
I've seen people with goats here -- there was a flock evacuated from the Palisades -- they tried to run! LauraInLA Jan 2025 #18
I knew that you were... littlemissmartypants Jan 2025 #3
...and I, in turn, appreciate your obvious intelligence and support. Thanx. NNadir Jan 2025 #7
Agree. Angelinos are being exposed to some rather nasty things. paleotn Jan 2025 #4
Very good subject worthy of discussion. William769 Jan 2025 #6
Search for Colorado Marshall fire for lots of good info isitreal Jan 2025 #9
Thank you. That's good information. Those fires in Boulder, a city I love and visited often, went down the... NNadir Jan 2025 #10
Except for the people who experienced it here evemac Jan 2025 #12
I'm very sure that's true. There are so many of these disasters now, that we tend to forget individual cases unless... NNadir Jan 2025 #20
This is a very interesting comparison! Thank you for the info and the idea to read more ;). LauraInLA Jan 2025 #19
You bring up good points about pipe sizes for water Old Crank Jan 2025 #31
Could you share this article as a separate thread? I think it should get broad visibility. LauraInLA Jan 2025 #36
I remember mgardener Jan 2025 #11
I've seen and heard... 2naSalit Jan 2025 #13
The Santa Ana winds are blowing most of it out to sea. speak easy Jan 2025 #17
I don't know in which part of town you're living, but in my part of Burbank we're still seeing ash. Hope today LauraInLA Jan 2025 #21
I saw a post from someone in Torrance Lulu KC Jan 2025 #37
Thank you. I think it will take a long time for us to realize just how much we have lost as a community, LauraInLA Jan 2025 #40
There is no "away" Cirsium Jan 2025 #25
Agreed. speak easy Jan 2025 #29
True Cirsium Jan 2025 #35
The Santa Winds blow east to west, but a look at the geography... NNadir Jan 2025 #43
... speak easy Jan 2025 #44
definitely true... it was mentioned a lot when Canadian forests were burning and the smoke blew down here LymphocyteLover Jan 2025 #22
Thank you for this post. I have been very worried brer cat Jan 2025 #23
I know of the toxic effects slightlv Jan 2025 #24
I believe there is an ongoing study from the 2021 Marshall Fire between Boulder & Lafayette, CO hlthe2b Jan 2025 #26
The toxic smoke is very dangerous. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #28
Yes, absolutely Lulu KC Jan 2025 #38
I wonder how much help HN95 or N95 masks would be. Better than nothing, I bet n/t KatK Jan 2025 #39
I was in LA during the Rodney King fires and in Manhattan on 9/11 GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #41
I think we're only experiencing the knife's edge defacto7 Jan 2025 #42
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