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Gun Control & RKBA

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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,641 posts)
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:16 PM Feb 2016

Gun control is losing control [View all]

There's no doubt many useful laws fall under the broad umbrella characterization of "gun-control". Those of you who think gun-control is only about laws are missing a lot. "Control" as a verb means: to exercise restraint or direction over; dominate; command. You see in the opposite way the term "liberty" led to the ideals of "liberalism", the facts about "gun-control" have led to organizations like the SAF, the GOA and the NRA being in "control" of much of local, state and federal legislation regarding firearms. All of these organizations and numerous others that derive support from folks as localized as maybe a single county to as wide as those nationally popular have the rights of firearm owners as their core objectives. I've seen writings ranging from visceral hatred to sad laments attesting to these simple facts. These stories are all from pro-control sources.

What news stories often miss is the "control" (via influence of information) that everyday folks develop after reading about an event. This is the only "real control" available. The idea that law can actually equal gun-control is a myth. It's some anal retentive's OCD-like wet dream. But it's something that really doesn't address the issue.

Our government operates with authority derived from that of the people. When the people see abuses of that authority, they act accordingly. The brain-fart of an idea that was sent to the shitter by the decision in DC v Heller was such an abuse. The only real control available in the world is SELF-CONTROL. This is demonstrated year after year, day after day and minute by minute by looking at the record of assaults, incidents of domestic violence, accidents and criminal homicides. The rising wave of self-control that's been apparent over the last few decades is due in part to what you're doing right now, reading on the internet. The global rise of internet based information has tightened the sure and only real control of personal behavior available by making the feedback loop of 'dumb action' to 'logical consequence' to 'learn something' much shorter and more 'in-your-face'.

A private seller being able to actually run a background check on a buyer gives that person a tool and the ability to choose to assure that they're doing the right thing.

As it has been proven by campaigns for everything from designated drivers to safe sex, the individuals in society learn. We are rewarded by those who learn not just with wisdom from their votes during elections but from their day to day smarter choices. Eschewing road rage, giving up cigarettes, not texting while they drive and securing unattended firearms.

Most of this has resulted from people across the country learning and exercising self-control. More results occur faster through information and learning than by laws and enforcement. Don't misunderstand me. We have laws. We don't approve of selling guns to violent criminals and certain others where the risks for abuse of such a tool are high. We shouldn't permit guns to many of those people.

However, facts are facts, except when some useless buzzword factory spews forth "facts" fraught with inaccuracy, contradiction and bullshit. Here's an example:

"I think everybody that's buying these big, high-powered rifles nowadays," she said, "what do you need that for? Unless you're going to war."

Hammond was citing AR-15s, first developed for the Army, which are manufactured at the Palmetto State Armory. "I feel like that can be controlled a little bit more," she continued. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/south-carolina-democrats-love-their-guns-back-some-controls-n527071
The standard AR-15 takes .223 ammo which is NOT HIGH-POWERED.

The most effective means for control that generates the fastest effects is information. Once your news source is found to be unreliable and inaccurate, your cause losses traction and your message is lost. These articles aren't hard to find and this information is commonly available to anyone who's mastered google. If pro-control folk want to see results, learn. Just as gun owners have learned from all the news about kids shooting themselves and others, pro-control should learn as well.

The internet is a simple tool that anyone can use to learn. Firearms are simple tools that can save your life. Senator Kevin de Leon and number of others are also simple tools.
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Gun control is losing control [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 OP
Good that you point out the difference... Human101948 Feb 2016 #1
Speed reader hmm? discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #3
What's your point? Human101948 Feb 2016 #6
Experts? No. As far as pro-control or control accepting folks like myself are concerned... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #11
Well, portraying the *least* powerful rifles as the *most* powerful... benEzra Feb 2016 #12
re: " Even shoes and fists kill more people than rifles do, per the FBI." discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #22
Yabbut ... Straw Man Mar 2016 #30
Thanks for waving the white flag of surrender so conspicuously! pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #21
That reply in part helped make my point... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #23
No one is surrending to you Pablo... Human101948 Mar 2016 #25
Your sort helps piss away our moral authority through the use of bafflegab and mendacity... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #28
Please don't fall for their bullshit that they use to woo the evangelicals... Human101948 Mar 2016 #29
So, no, you do *not* have any evidence that pablo_marmol is a Republican. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #31
Ha ha ha......I didn't notice that he/she called me a Republican. pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #46
Derp........another FAILURE! pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #35
I took a bit to give myself a chance to consider the various possible angles... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #24
You are not seeing the forest for the trees... Human101948 Mar 2016 #26
You're not even seeing the trees. Straw Man Mar 2016 #32
If your interest is to pass gun-control laws via our party, then believe this... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #36
Australia is proof... Human101948 Mar 2016 #37
Actually, no gejohnston Mar 2016 #38
And the lack of homicides by police in Great Britain has nothing to do with their lack of guns Human101948 Mar 2016 #39
they also have more police to surround the suspect gejohnston Mar 2016 #40
So you're saying that we a violent homicidal culture in these United States? Human101948 Mar 2016 #41
Actually, no we are not gejohnston Mar 2016 #43
You are getting the picture! discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #44
Not even close. Jackson3000 Mar 2016 #45
As I see it you've got options: discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #42
if gun owners would stop killing 30,000+ people every year this issue would waste away nt msongs Feb 2016 #2
Since two thirds of those are gun owners killing themselves... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #4
So talk to the gangs in Chicago, LA, Philly, DC, etc and see what they think. hack89 Feb 2016 #5
You're stepping into right wing territory... Human101948 Feb 2016 #7
We know without a doubt that violent crime is not evenly distributed hack89 Feb 2016 #8
Okey dokey, but the distraction of "black on black" crime and gangs is a right wing meme Human101948 Feb 2016 #9
No problem cracking down on illegal gun sales. hack89 Feb 2016 #10
I support cracking down those who sell guns to criminals. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2016 #16
memes and truth discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #17
Like this legal business? Human101948 Mar 2016 #18
I've never heard of them but I suppose discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #19
No, there are no investigations, it's all legal... Human101948 Mar 2016 #27
Yes. They conducted business ... Straw Man Mar 2016 #33
Actually, it is illegal. gejohnston Mar 2016 #34
Oh, come on. If they killed 200 a year, you'd still be trying to ban them. (n/t) benEzra Feb 2016 #13
why are you adding suicide numbers? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #14
We are not supposed to think of these things. We are supposed to react emotionally to the numbers. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #15
If you don't do sleight of hand, you aren't kool. Eleanors38 Mar 2016 #20
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