Tesla drivers say new self-driving update is repeatedly running red lights

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10. thank you. the deep and concerted cynicism kind of gets to me

Seems awfully one sided - given the horrendous job of driving that many of our human operators demonstrate every day - are we seriously claiming that self driving represents significantly worse? I find that somewhat difficult to believe - but, if so, let's trot out those figures to make exactly that argument. Meantime, I have a strong hunch that a lot of this opposition is driven at gut level.

So - appreciate that someone would try to add a little balance to the discussion. I think it's useful.

added: In relation to the OP - I'm sure that most people are already aware that the Waymo and Tesla situation are actually talking different systems (and even different parameters?) - hardware, software, programming, the whole ball of wax