Religion

marylandblue

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69. Again, your argument devolves into mush

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 08:19 PM

Nov 2018

Everything is a belief, according to you and therefore you treat everything the same. But not all beliefs are the same, not all beliefs are necessary, and not all things are beliefs. I don't actually believe religion is a belief. I think the idea is a Western misunderstanding that came from Paul, and we have been blinded by this delusion ever since.

But in your mushiness, all things must be beliefs, and all beliefs are equal, all things create division, all divisions are violence, all violence is war. I believe that coffee is better than tea because tea is fit only to throw in harbors. Therefore, by your reckoning, coffee is a religion that causes war because humans must divide. Like bacteria. Or something like that. The argument is total mush, so I really don't get it anyway.

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Religion is used to divide people. [View all] guillaumeb Nov 2018 OP

I think it's fitting that you listed language twice. Croney Nov 2018 #1

My error. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #2

Actually, the real question is "how do we manage and minimize the divisions" marylandblue Nov 2018 #3

But if a poster suggests that religion is THE source, or the primary source, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #4

As soon as cells divide after egg fertilization, Croney Nov 2018 #7

And often these opinions are a source of division. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #9

Power? Used to divide people? Croney Nov 2018 #13

Is not power behind many human actions? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #14

A discussion of abstract power is irrelevant. Croney Nov 2018 #16

Power is a concept, and an abstraction, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #18

Yes, you've run into a long standing argument here marylandblue Nov 2018 #22

Thanks. Croney Nov 2018 #23

Your broad-brush, nebulous, distracting approach to religion also suggests an agenda marylandblue Nov 2018 #19

OK. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #25

Ok. Now that we have established that everyone has an agenda. marylandblue Nov 2018 #34

What was my agenda here? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #38

My agenda is to discuss and learn about a topic I have always had interest in marylandblue Nov 2018 #41

And in support of that, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #43

No .because the key word is "primary" marylandblue Nov 2018 #47

The use of primary is not scientific, absent proof. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #58

I didn't say your agenda is anything other than your own opinion marylandblue Nov 2018 #68

That is a good question. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #74

Really? What makes you think people might express opinions not their own? marylandblue Nov 2018 #76

I post many articles. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #78

You are unusual, because you post so many articles without comment marylandblue Nov 2018 #80

Don Viejo and others frequently post without further comment. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #83

Your completely missing the point and diverting at the same time marylandblue Nov 2018 #84

Read: guillaumeb Nov 2018 #85

Fine, you still missed or deliberately avoided the point. marylandblue Nov 2018 #86

I have previously spoken at length about my beliefs. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #87

I asked you a question, answer it if you please. marylandblue Nov 2018 #88

If it relates to #68, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #89

Your agenda was to avoid the discussion in my thread MineralMan Nov 2018 #54

"Division seems to be the default condition of humanity." trotsky Nov 2018 #31

So division is not an insecapable part of humanity? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #35

No. trotsky Nov 2018 #50

Thank you. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #61

You don't do dialog, Guy. MineralMan Nov 2018 #51

You rejected my answer. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #62

Questions are not answers, Gil, by definition. nt. Mariana Nov 2018 #67

Yes, they can be, because a question guillaumeb Nov 2018 #73

Which poster suggested that, Guy? MineralMan Nov 2018 #55

Do an advanced search. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #64

Post a link. MineralMan Nov 2018 #66

So, Eko Nov 2018 #5

How do we promote one-ness, and lessen division? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #6

We certainly cant do it Eko Nov 2018 #10

So is it all about power over others?And using things as tools to divide? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #12

Yup, Eko Nov 2018 #15

But the concept of country is used to divide. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #17

Instead of talking about the subject Eko Nov 2018 #20

You misused whataboutism. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #26

Racis is used to divide. Eko Nov 2018 #21

I'll pledge allegiance to any language, as long as it's English marylandblue Nov 2018 #33

D'accord. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #37

The "war" against multiculturalism is a figurative war marylandblue Nov 2018 #45

The war against multiculturalism has led to violence. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #46

It's a matter of relative evil marylandblue Nov 2018 #48

There is war, and there is the threat of war. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #59

That would be in direct opposition to the Christian god Mariana Nov 2018 #81

Well, really, it wasn't the language that bothered the grumpy old geezer. MineralMan Nov 2018 #82

Again, you failed to answer the question. MineralMan Nov 2018 #52

Tribalism unites people - at least the people of the same tribe. Jim__ Nov 2018 #8

As you say, tribalism unites, and divides. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #11

I'm not sure how this fits in...I think religion.. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #24

It does fit. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #27

Have you given up all that you have, gil? n/t trotsky Nov 2018 #32

Jesus didn't say only the rich should do that. Mariana Nov 2018 #56

Look at your list Cartoonist Nov 2018 #28

All of the items listed are social constructs. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #36

They all got there by travelling real roads Cartoonist Nov 2018 #39

All are means of promoting unity in a group. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #40

I don't need it, and I'm not alone. Cartoonist Nov 2018 #42

Which refutes nothing that I said. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #44

is this division integral to what it means to be human? Cartoonist Nov 2018 #49

And we all eat dinner. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #60

Depends on what you mean by division. marylandblue Nov 2018 #70

Everybody needs a language, some people don't need any religion marylandblue Nov 2018 #53

But we all have beliefs. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #63

Again, your argument devolves into mush marylandblue Nov 2018 #69

No. All people do not have beliefs. MineralMan Nov 2018 #71

People believe things that they cannot prove. eom guillaumeb Nov 2018 #75

And some people believe things that are simply untrue. MineralMan Nov 2018 #77

Yes, they do. eom guillaumeb Nov 2018 #79

Citation needed. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2018 #29

Arguable whether it's "used". trotsky Nov 2018 #30

The texts were written by multiple people with different agendas marylandblue Nov 2018 #72

This is a great topic. Conflict Nov 2018 #57

Welcome to DU, and the conversation. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #65