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In reply to the discussion: Is Faith a Cognitive Error? [View all]
 

SoFlaDem

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21. Could be an error, but does necessarily follow that it is a mistake
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 03:42 PM
Jan 2019

Last edited Fri Jan 18, 2019, 05:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Wow cognitive error sounds so damning. But I suppose a lot of things that humans do and believe could be seen as cognitive errors. Assuming that I am in any way different than any other human being and entitled to more resources based upon being born on the North American continent is probably a cognitive error, so patriotism is probably also cognitive error. But if there is nothing to have faith in, and humans are just the result of variations in DNA replication, resulting in natural selection (I am not a "creationist", whatever that means) then is there really such thing as "error", at least from an ethical standpoint?

I am not a member of a religious group, personally, but I do count myself as one of the growing class of people who consider themselves "spiritual, but not religious." So I do have a faith, but I don't have a religion. I see the Bible, the Quran, the Sutras and etc. as mythical writings. Many want to take everything in them literally, even that which defies historical and scientific evidence. Utilizing scientific method, it would therefore be an error to believe that, for example, Moses parted the Red Sea (or even lead a nation of Israelites out of Egypt for that matter).

But there is great value and power in myth from a spiritual standpoint. Anyone who reads and appreciates Joseph Campbell would probably agree. So I could believe the lessons and truths about us behind biblical stories or stories of the Buddha without having to actually believe that they happened, or that they happened as described in texts originating from at least as early as the Bronze Age. So reading and studying such texts, which are full of errors and inaccuracies is not an error for me because I can still learn and understand things about human nature and spirituality from them. Because they are human attempts at describing a divine, if there is a divine, I personally doubt that every single thing in them has value.

My personal, non-religious faith is that there is something greater, something powerful that I can tap into emotionally and psychologically. It is not scientific, but based upon my personal spiritual experiences. I have found strength in spiritual exercises, hope in prayer and ethical guidance in meditation. I can't explain it, I can't say everyone would experience the same, but I just do. I don't say others need to do the same, but I feel like there is a universal good that I can tap into that has helped me deal with my problems and difficulties. Is it a psychological trick? Maybe, but it works for me and I have seen it work in others.

It may not be what I think it is, or it may not prove the existence of the Divine, but it works nonetheless. I do not personally need a better explanation, nor do I personally believe that I could begin to explain it. Humans are not solely logical, they are also emotional and, I believe at least for me, spiritual. So if it works, to make me and my life happier, more peaceful and more ethical, I subjectively believe even if it is an error, it is not a mistake.

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Is Faith a Cognitive Error? [View all] MineralMan Jan 2019 OP
too black and white/binary. Different shades of faith... NRaleighLiberal Jan 2019 #1
Well, your examples are for one of the definitions of faith, for sure. MineralMan Jan 2019 #4
understood - just wanted to help clarify. interesting question you posed. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2019 #6
As is the case with many words in the English language, "faith" has more than one meaning Major Nikon Jan 2019 #11
Which of these definitions are you using Mariana Jan 2019 #23
Faith is one of those weasely words... uriel1972 Jan 2019 #2
Well, this discussion is taking place in the Religion Group, MineralMan Jan 2019 #5
Yeah I would hope that would be true... uriel1972 Jan 2019 #7
I think people believe because it feels good, gives comfort and security, . . . mart48 Jan 2019 #3
I think faith is an emotional response, rather than cognitive, really. MineralMan Jan 2019 #10
I think it has to do with our neuropsychology marylandblue Jan 2019 #8
Yes, certainly. MineralMan Jan 2019 #9
It's only a cognitive error if the belief is indeed false Major Nikon Jan 2019 #12
I disagree... uriel1972 Jan 2019 #13
Cognitive error requires an error Major Nikon Jan 2019 #14
The error lies not in the result... uriel1972 Jan 2019 #15
Which isn't an error either in this case Major Nikon Jan 2019 #16
I still don't agree with you... uriel1972 Jan 2019 #17
I'm not saying you are wrong, but I don't agree with you either Major Nikon Jan 2019 #18
Ut-oh. "Error!!1! Error1!11 I'm experiencing cognitive error!11" sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #27
Have you tried pushing the reset button? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #50
My button's busted. 🤕 sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #57
Open up the panel in the back and stick a screwdriver between the jumpers marylandblue Jan 2019 #61
My OS is/has been working mighty fine and not malfunctioning. n/t sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #64
What about the cognitive error 1? It could be serious. marylandblue Jan 2019 #65
I am being mischievously goosed and don't mind atall. sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #66
Do I have a cognitive error? Hmmm. 🤔 sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #84
Then I suggest you try a hard reset Major Nikon Jan 2019 #68
A la Ralph Kramden: "Hardy-har-har." sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #71
Yes. Plus other errors. (nt) NeoGreen Jan 2019 #19
I'd say that faith is a cognitive exception. trotsky Jan 2019 #20
There's something to that classification. Pope George Ringo II Jan 2019 #22
Interesting, isn't that? n/t trotsky Jan 2019 #25
Could be an error, but does necessarily follow that it is a mistake SoFlaDem Jan 2019 #21
Very well said and I could not agree more nightwing1240 Jan 2019 #24
Your 2nd welcome! sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #58
I agree; very well said. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #26
... sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #29
Welcome to DU, and thank you for this excellent response. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #32
I consider myself spiritual rather than religious, but also agnostic marylandblue Jan 2019 #43
This is good. Why not. sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #59
I'm only agnostic on Tuesdays SoFlaDem Jan 2019 #69
In all sincerity, sounds like a +plus to me. n/t sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #72
Just a failure of Cognitive Thinking. nt Ferrets are Cool Jan 2019 #28
Believing or not believing isn't an error in thinking, it's a choice nightwing1240 Jan 2019 #30
Well said. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #33
I feel no obligation to respect a belief just because someone believes it Major Nikon Jan 2019 #35
Obviously, you missed where I said I respect those that are atheists nightwing1240 Jan 2019 #36
That's not really what you said Major Nikon Jan 2019 #37
I meant no disrespect, I actually meant the opposite nightwing1240 Jan 2019 #45
I cut and pasted from your post Major Nikon Jan 2019 #46
I don't agree that faith is a choice. Mariana Jan 2019 #48
Don't we choose all of our beliefs? marylandblue Jan 2019 #49
No Major Nikon Jan 2019 #51
This isn't just about religious beliefs, but all types of beliefs marylandblue Jan 2019 #52
This is the religious group Major Nikon Jan 2019 #54
Yes, it's the religion group, but all that means is you never went far down that road. marylandblue Jan 2019 #55
Analogies have their place Major Nikon Jan 2019 #62
I don't think so. Mariana Jan 2019 #56
Well, that's what I am talking about, but you said it better. marylandblue Jan 2019 #60
(I hope I don't have to kick myself.) My experience is that sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #63
I think I understand what you're saying. Mariana Jan 2019 #67
'Cradle' Orthodox are presented the Faith b4 they have ability in 'understanding'. sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #70
I'm having to look up words, Sprinkleeninow. Mariana Jan 2019 #75
I wrote two replies and my screen went to google and I'm having a fit. sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #80
Here goes: sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #82
Thank you. Mariana Jan 2019 #85
Yes, Orthodox services for the reposed, those entering into matrimony, sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #86
If you have further interest: sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #83
I think it is self-delusion. A belief you are superior to all others demigoddess Jan 2019 #31
And some deny that their conclusions are only conclusions. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #34
Who is denying that? Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #39
... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #42
Sounds like apologetics Major Nikon Jan 2019 #40
There was a study published recently that Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #38
Full study... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #41
Cognitive error is a broad term Lordquinton Jan 2019 #44
I don't think many religionists suffer from cognitive dissonance Major Nikon Jan 2019 #47
Maybe that's where the guilt and doubt come in Lordquinton Jan 2019 #73
Some have also adopted gaslighting as a best practice Major Nikon Jan 2019 #74
Honestly that's where most of religion stems from Lordquinton Jan 2019 #76
At least they are no longer using wood as fuel Major Nikon Jan 2019 #77
Daym Lordquinton Jan 2019 #78
Fnord. nt OhZone Jan 2019 #53
neuroplasty and classical conditioning StTimofEdenRoc Jan 2019 #79
I think it's just a survival trait, but one that comes with some unfortunate side-effects. Iggo Jan 2019 #81
If faith rejects rational proof, it's irrational Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #87
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