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In reply to the discussion: Is Faith a Cognitive Error? [View all]

Major Nikon

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46. I cut and pasted from your post
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 10:56 AM
Jan 2019
I do not challenge those that choose to believe there is no God, that is their personal choice and should be respected.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=305671

The only edit I made was the addition of quotes around what I cut and pasted from your post. I'm not sure how I could have misquoted you.

At any rate regardless of how you define atheism, it is no more than an idea and like all ideas it's entirely possible to disrespect the idea without disrespecting those who may subscribe to that idea. That's a very important concept to understand if you want to hang around here because you'll see lots of disrespect towards various ideas. I understand many religionists have a serious investment in many of their ideas, but at the end of the day they are still nothing more than ideas. So if you take personal disrespect from an instance where someone merely disrespected an idea you happen to like, you might want to consider if it's because maybe you aren't as sure of that idea as you might wish. If you believed in it strongly enough, criticism of it shouldn't affect you.

Comparing atheism to religion is by no means nothing more than a binary choice. As you said, atheism is a lack of belief in gods. Some atheists go one step further and believe there are no gods. Even in the 2nd instance that's the extent of atheism. OTOH, religion isn't just the belief that one or more gods exist. It incorporates various mythologies, philosophies, moralities, dogma, and doctrines to varying degrees. That's a lot of ideas you are asking others to respect and in return you can only offer respect of a very basic idea that I'm pretty sure most atheists wouldn't care if you respected or didn't.

The bottom line is if you want to believe one or more deities exist, I can certainly respect that much and I won't say you are wrong. The problem is religion brings a shitton more baggage with it and asking anyone to respect all of it is a bit too much, IMO. There's a lot of things people file away as intolerance that has exactly shit to do with tolerance.

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Is Faith a Cognitive Error? [View all] MineralMan Jan 2019 OP
too black and white/binary. Different shades of faith... NRaleighLiberal Jan 2019 #1
Well, your examples are for one of the definitions of faith, for sure. MineralMan Jan 2019 #4
understood - just wanted to help clarify. interesting question you posed. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2019 #6
As is the case with many words in the English language, "faith" has more than one meaning Major Nikon Jan 2019 #11
Which of these definitions are you using Mariana Jan 2019 #23
Faith is one of those weasely words... uriel1972 Jan 2019 #2
Well, this discussion is taking place in the Religion Group, MineralMan Jan 2019 #5
Yeah I would hope that would be true... uriel1972 Jan 2019 #7
I think people believe because it feels good, gives comfort and security, . . . mart48 Jan 2019 #3
I think faith is an emotional response, rather than cognitive, really. MineralMan Jan 2019 #10
I think it has to do with our neuropsychology marylandblue Jan 2019 #8
Yes, certainly. MineralMan Jan 2019 #9
It's only a cognitive error if the belief is indeed false Major Nikon Jan 2019 #12
I disagree... uriel1972 Jan 2019 #13
Cognitive error requires an error Major Nikon Jan 2019 #14
The error lies not in the result... uriel1972 Jan 2019 #15
Which isn't an error either in this case Major Nikon Jan 2019 #16
I still don't agree with you... uriel1972 Jan 2019 #17
I'm not saying you are wrong, but I don't agree with you either Major Nikon Jan 2019 #18
Ut-oh. "Error!!1! Error1!11 I'm experiencing cognitive error!11" sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #27
Have you tried pushing the reset button? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #50
My button's busted. 🤕 sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #57
Open up the panel in the back and stick a screwdriver between the jumpers marylandblue Jan 2019 #61
My OS is/has been working mighty fine and not malfunctioning. n/t sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #64
What about the cognitive error 1? It could be serious. marylandblue Jan 2019 #65
I am being mischievously goosed and don't mind atall. sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #66
Do I have a cognitive error? Hmmm. 🤔 sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #84
Then I suggest you try a hard reset Major Nikon Jan 2019 #68
A la Ralph Kramden: "Hardy-har-har." sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #71
Yes. Plus other errors. (nt) NeoGreen Jan 2019 #19
I'd say that faith is a cognitive exception. trotsky Jan 2019 #20
There's something to that classification. Pope George Ringo II Jan 2019 #22
Interesting, isn't that? n/t trotsky Jan 2019 #25
Could be an error, but does necessarily follow that it is a mistake SoFlaDem Jan 2019 #21
Very well said and I could not agree more nightwing1240 Jan 2019 #24
Your 2nd welcome! sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #58
I agree; very well said. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #26
... sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #29
Welcome to DU, and thank you for this excellent response. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #32
I consider myself spiritual rather than religious, but also agnostic marylandblue Jan 2019 #43
This is good. Why not. sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #59
I'm only agnostic on Tuesdays SoFlaDem Jan 2019 #69
In all sincerity, sounds like a +plus to me. n/t sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #72
Just a failure of Cognitive Thinking. nt Ferrets are Cool Jan 2019 #28
Believing or not believing isn't an error in thinking, it's a choice nightwing1240 Jan 2019 #30
Well said. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #33
I feel no obligation to respect a belief just because someone believes it Major Nikon Jan 2019 #35
Obviously, you missed where I said I respect those that are atheists nightwing1240 Jan 2019 #36
That's not really what you said Major Nikon Jan 2019 #37
I meant no disrespect, I actually meant the opposite nightwing1240 Jan 2019 #45
I cut and pasted from your post Major Nikon Jan 2019 #46
I don't agree that faith is a choice. Mariana Jan 2019 #48
Don't we choose all of our beliefs? marylandblue Jan 2019 #49
No Major Nikon Jan 2019 #51
This isn't just about religious beliefs, but all types of beliefs marylandblue Jan 2019 #52
This is the religious group Major Nikon Jan 2019 #54
Yes, it's the religion group, but all that means is you never went far down that road. marylandblue Jan 2019 #55
Analogies have their place Major Nikon Jan 2019 #62
I don't think so. Mariana Jan 2019 #56
Well, that's what I am talking about, but you said it better. marylandblue Jan 2019 #60
(I hope I don't have to kick myself.) My experience is that sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #63
I think I understand what you're saying. Mariana Jan 2019 #67
'Cradle' Orthodox are presented the Faith b4 they have ability in 'understanding'. sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #70
I'm having to look up words, Sprinkleeninow. Mariana Jan 2019 #75
I wrote two replies and my screen went to google and I'm having a fit. sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #80
Here goes: sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #82
Thank you. Mariana Jan 2019 #85
Yes, Orthodox services for the reposed, those entering into matrimony, sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #86
If you have further interest: sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #83
I think it is self-delusion. A belief you are superior to all others demigoddess Jan 2019 #31
And some deny that their conclusions are only conclusions. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #34
Who is denying that? Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #39
... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #42
Sounds like apologetics Major Nikon Jan 2019 #40
There was a study published recently that Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #38
Full study... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #41
Cognitive error is a broad term Lordquinton Jan 2019 #44
I don't think many religionists suffer from cognitive dissonance Major Nikon Jan 2019 #47
Maybe that's where the guilt and doubt come in Lordquinton Jan 2019 #73
Some have also adopted gaslighting as a best practice Major Nikon Jan 2019 #74
Honestly that's where most of religion stems from Lordquinton Jan 2019 #76
At least they are no longer using wood as fuel Major Nikon Jan 2019 #77
Daym Lordquinton Jan 2019 #78
Fnord. nt OhZone Jan 2019 #53
neuroplasty and classical conditioning StTimofEdenRoc Jan 2019 #79
I think it's just a survival trait, but one that comes with some unfortunate side-effects. Iggo Jan 2019 #81
If faith rejects rational proof, it's irrational Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #87
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