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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Attacks that would have been used effectively on Sanders if he were the Democratic nominee [View all]Gothmog
(171,980 posts)35. Match up polls are worthless
        Here is a good thread talking about these polls  http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511038010
The reliance on these polls by Sanders supporters amuses me. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/harrys-guide-to-2016-election-polls/
Ignore hypothetical matchups in primary season  they also measure nothing. General election polls before and during the primary season have a very wide margin of error. Thats especially the case for candidates who arent even in the race and therefore havent been treated to the onslaught of skeptical media coverage usually associated with being the candidate.
Sanders supporters have to rely on these worthless polls because it is clear that Sanders is not viable in a general election where the Kochs will be spending $887 million and the RNC candidate may spend an additional billion dollars.
No one in the real world believed that Sanders would be the nominee and so no one wasted time vetting Sanders. Sander got a free ride and was never vetted http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
They ignored the fact that Sanders had not yet faced a real campaign against him. Clinton was in the delicate position of dealing with a large portion of voters who treated Sanders more like the Messiah than just another candidate. She was playing the long gameattacking Sanders strongly enough to win, but gently enough to avoid alienating his supporters. Given her overwhelming support from communities of colorfor example, about 70 percent of African-American voters cast their ballot for herClinton had a firewall that would be difficult for Sanders to breach.
No one believed that Sanders would be the nominee and so no one vetted Sanders. Sanders would have been destroyed if he was the nominee
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                        Attacks that would have been used effectively on Sanders if he were the Democratic nominee [View all]
							Fast Walker 52
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        that is a different issue, but I think she was a better candidate overall than Bernie
        Fast Walker 52
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        environmental racist-- meaning his environmental policies might preferentially affect minorities?
        Fast Walker 52
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        a lot of those things just don't have the power they used to, and I think Sanders could have
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #16
      
        
        I don't think we should under-estimate the power of rightwing bullshit after this past election
        Fast Walker 52
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        Sanders was treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign and there was a ton of material
        Gothmog
        Jan 2017
        #17
      
        
        I don't mind the current system that allows exceptions for the life and health for the mother or
        bettyellen
        Jan 2017
        #36
      
        
        I don't think it's weird. I believe it should be between a woman and her doctor
        NWCorona
        Jan 2017
        #38
      
        
        I think it's weird because it has zero support and would be a lightening rod for those religious
        bettyellen
        Jan 2017
        #42
      
        
        I can see it being a lightning rod as well but it's not like they would vote for him anyway
        NWCorona
        Jan 2017
        #43
      
        
        Well they would have used anything they could find.  Unfortunately it's a big one for those
        bettyellen
        Jan 2017
        #50
      
        
        What is it with this forum????  For some reason it's mired in looking behind rather than ahead.
        Vinca
        Jan 2017
        #29
      
        
        This is nothing new and would only impact those that wouldn't have voted for him anyway.
        NWCorona
        Jan 2017
        #37
      
        
        Sanders was never vetted and so none of these materials had been used against Sanders
        Gothmog
        Jan 2017
        #44
      
        
        I never said that they wouldn't make effective ads I don't think they would have had
        NWCorona
        Jan 2017
        #46
      
        
        That is because Sanders was running for media coverage and his efforts hurt the Democratic party
        Gothmog
        Jan 2017
        #60
      
        
        Maybe, but matchup polls said Hillary would lose to Trump and she did. They said Bernie would win.
        aikoaiko
        Jan 2017
        #41
      
        
        The fact is, he generally outperformed Hillary in the rust belt, in the primaries.
        Warren DeMontague
        Jan 2017
        #39
      
        
        Attack Attack attack..but just remember if Bernie Sanders had been the nominee we would
        INdemo
        Jan 2017
        #55
      
        
        so in your mind, why do you think "DNC / DWS put their boot on Sanders campaign"?
        Fast Walker 52
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