2016 Postmortem

JHan

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1. I also think Obama is more keenly aware of pros and cons of the TPP than many give him credit for..

Wed Jan 4, 2017, 02:50 PM

Jan 2017

yet there's no end of ridiculous theories as to why he supports it: he was "threatened" , and in league with "them" (those people who want to oppress people) and he's now a "corporatist hack". I haven't agreed with everything Obama has done, but the shallow arguments are tiresome.

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Sick of seeing meaningless epithets "corporatist" and "neoliberal" hurled at progressives like Obama [View all] DanTex Jan 2017 OP

I also think Obama is more keenly aware of pros and cons of the TPP than many give him credit for.. JHan Jan 2017 #1

This times 1000 charlyvi Jan 2017 #2

Neoliberal is not meaningless. killbotfactory Jan 2017 #3

It has become meaningless based on how it's used. DanTex Jan 2017 #4

I do blame Obama for not using it Exilednight Jan 2017 #5

The public option? He did use that as his starting point. DanTex Jan 2017 #8

No he didn't. KO did a whole segment and dedicated a Exilednight Jan 2017 #12

You just rewrote history. Well done. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #14

You obviously did not pay attention during the debate. Exilednight Jan 2017 #20

Obviously. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #22

The problem is that our party needs the consent of rich institutions too much. JCanete Jan 2017 #6

I guess maybe we should have voted for Gore instead of protest voting with Saradan and electing Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #9

The media always makes the race close. If we had a bigger edge they would have still made it JCanete Jan 2017 #10

And gullible, easily distracted people Jakes Progress Jan 2017 #24

It's easier for folks to toss out these catchphrases mcar Jan 2017 #7

Yes. When I see those words I know the person doesn't know what they're talking about. betsuni Jan 2017 #11

You made my day :) SharonClark Jan 2017 #25

And the progressive candidate Clinton would have followed on & expanded upon all of these. baldguy Jan 2017 #13

The Alt-Lefty Media otohara Jan 2017 #15

The government is in the hands of the gop killbotfactory Jan 2017 #16

I'll happily criticize those on our left wing.... Adrahil Jan 2017 #33

Agreed. It's all just contrived and divisive name calling. So phony. n/t R B Garr Jan 2017 #17

I am also sick of seeing BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #18

If Obama was a corporatist or neoliberal then why would he support TPP? AngryAmish Jan 2017 #19

Time to give credit when credit is due. oasis Jan 2017 #21

A lot of people are feeling guilty Jakes Progress Jan 2017 #23

But, .... but .... no pony! Lil Missy Jan 2017 #26

Obama is a Progressive President.. we're lucky to have him.. Cha Jan 2017 #27

You realize Obama disagrees with you zipplewrath Jan 2017 #28

I don't think I've ever heard Obama use the terms "neoliberal" or "corporatist". DanTex Jan 2017 #29

Neither have I zipplewrath Jan 2017 #30

He has called himself both a moderate and a progressive at different points. DanTex Jan 2017 #31

Well, he is zipplewrath Jan 2017 #32

I'm arguing policy positions. DanTex Jan 2017 #34

Well, I'm not sure even Obama would agree with you zipplewrath Jan 2017 #35

"Corporatism" and "corporate profits" have nothing to do with each other. DanTex Jan 2017 #36

I think you need to read Timmy's book zipplewrath Jan 2017 #37

So you are insisting on the incorrect definition of the term "corporatist". OK then... DanTex Jan 2017 #38

False dichotomy zipplewrath Jan 2017 #39

There was no "save the bonuses" plan. That's pure fiction. DanTex Jan 2017 #40

K & R Scurrilous Jan 2017 #41