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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: And the 2016 Ralph Nader Award Goes to Bernie Sanders - Time.com [View all]Gothmog
(171,960 posts)61. Actually Sanders and Nader have a great deal in common
        Sanders and the traitor Nader share a love of stating that there is no difference between the Democratic and Republican parties and have even used the same sad terminology.  Sanders first used the same terminology of stating that there are no differences between the Democratic Party and the Republican party when he ran as a spoiler for governor.  http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/04/when-bernie-sanders-ran-against-vermont/kNP6xUupbQ3Qbg9UUelvVM/story.html?p1=Article_Trending_Most_Viewed
Hillary Clinton is not the first progressive Democratic woman to be challenged by Bernie Sanders. He ran against me in 1986 when I was running for my second term as governor of Vermont. At that time he had little affinity for the Democratic Party. When advised that his third-party candidacy might result in a Republican victory, he saw no difference between Democrats and Republicans, saying: It is absolutely fair to say you are dealing with Tweedledum and Tweedledee.[/div
After Sanders used this termination, Nader joined in first http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jun/30/ralph-nader/nader-almost-said-gore-bush-but-not-quite/
After Sanders used this termination, Nader joined in first http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jun/30/ralph-nader/nader-almost-said-gore-bush-but-not-quite/
Again and again throughout the campaign, Nader implied that he thought Bush and Gore equally objectionable. "It doesn't matter who is in the White House, Gore or Bush, for the vast majority of government departments and agencies," Nader said in a news conference in September 2000.
"The only difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door," he told supporters in California a month later.
"It's a Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum vote," Nader said in Philadelphia four days before the election, repeating a favorite refrain of his. "Both parties are selling our government to big business paymasters. ...That's a pretty serious similarity."
Nader also failed to challenge Sam Donaldson on ABC's This Week when Donaldson said, "You don't think it matters. You've said it doesn't matter to you who is the president of the United States, Bush or Gore."
Nader replied, "Because it's the permanent corporate government that's running the show here ... you can see they're morphing more and more on more and more issues into one corporate party."
"The only difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door," he told supporters in California a month later.
"It's a Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum vote," Nader said in Philadelphia four days before the election, repeating a favorite refrain of his. "Both parties are selling our government to big business paymasters. ...That's a pretty serious similarity."
Nader also failed to challenge Sam Donaldson on ABC's This Week when Donaldson said, "You don't think it matters. You've said it doesn't matter to you who is the president of the United States, Bush or Gore."
Nader replied, "Because it's the permanent corporate government that's running the show here ... you can see they're morphing more and more on more and more issues into one corporate party."
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                        And the 2016 Ralph Nader Award Goes to Bernie Sanders - Time.com [View all]
							factfinder_77
							Jan 2017
							OP
                        
        
        Sanders also claimed that the election process was rigged and Trump quoted him
        Gothmog
        Jan 2017
        #101
      
        
        no, he offered unrealistic promises based on simplistic solutions which appeals to large numbers of
        Bill USA
        Jan 2017
        #170
      
        
        Three strikes was supposed to be for violent felons and the GOP took it further ...
        bettyellen
        Jan 2017
        #9
      
        
        Oh gosh no.  Bernie gave ammunition to the same folks who STILL are saying
        Eliot Rosewater
        Jan 2017
        #152
      
        
        Hogwash. Your hobby of making Sanders out to be a greedy money-grubbing opportunist is pathetic
        ThirdEye
        Jan 2017
        #85
      
        
        Right. According to him, bernie has to have suitcases of dirty cash stashed somewhere...
        dionysus
        Jan 2017
        #89
      
        
        The OP is mostly BS. Sanders attacks had an effect but Hillary still won the pop. vote by 3 million
        brush
        Jan 2017
        #56
      
        
        Not only is it BS. It's the same dog whistle narrative we've been hearing for 2 months.
        Garrett78
        Jan 2017
        #72
      
        
        Utterly ridiculous.  Clearly you have not seen his schedule. He busted his ass on the trail for her,
        JudyM
        Jan 2017
        #137
      
        
        The OP is promoting the same narrative Bernie supporters have been pushing since the election.
        Garrett78
        Jan 2017
        #94
      
        
        Shout loudest + throw tantrums + don't see any bumper stickers  they think they are the majority. T
        factfinder_77
        Jan 2017
        #14
      
        
        The guy who wrote this, Gil Troy, wrote one book called "Hillary Clinton, Polarizing First Lady"
        Ken Burch
        Jan 2017
        #12
      
        
        It's pertinent that the man has an anti-progressive bias of VERY long standing
        Ken Burch
        Jan 2017
        #83
      
        
        Yet he's promoting the same narrative that DU posters have been promoting for 2 months.
        Garrett78
        Jan 2017
        #84
      
        
        It's NOT that the party should stop talking about race or talk about it less
        Ken Burch
        Jan 2017
        #141
      
        
        Contrary to your assertions, Sanders policies are not that popular in the real world
        Gothmog
        Jan 2017
        #150
      
        
        Whatever else, you can never underestimate the influence Comey had on this election
        world wide wally
        Jan 2017
        #16
      
        
        That article is full-on love fest for Bill's campaigning and policies when in office. I'm sorry but
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #19
      
        
        we so far right right now with our new leader (DUMP)  Bill Clinton looks like a radical leftist.
        boston bean
        Jan 2017
        #130
      
        
        If you actually elaborate here, some of us will actually read it. It won't be in vain, I promise. nt
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #173
      
        
        The OP is promoting the same narrative Bernie supporters have been pushing since the election.
        Garrett78
        Jan 2017
        #71
      
        
        It isn't that Bernie's positions on various issues are unpopular or wrong. Here's the problem:
        Garrett78
        Jan 2017
        #107
      
        
        we've had this discussion before, or at least we've been conversing about it in the same threads, 
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #109
      
        
        seriously? this is a message board and people are discussing things. I'm talking about in THIS
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #120
      
        
        Thanks for the conversation. This won't be up much longer, so I know you may not have the time to
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #165
      
        
        thanks again for the discourse! Just to answer  G really quick, because I think this is important.
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #167
      
        
        I'll just say quickly, that if that is the root, then you would have to be suggesting that we
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #171
      
        
        but as to human nature where does racism get placed? What fundamental itch is it scratching?
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #177
      
        
        O.K., I read that.  I agree with all of it and I think the candidate I backed in the primaries
        Ken Burch
        Jan 2017
        #158
      
        
        Issues matter and Bernie's had broad cross-over appeal.  Many Dems felt his issues mattered a great
        JudyM
        Jan 2017
        #138
      
        
        You got to be kidding-no one in the real world believe in those silly match up polls
        Gothmog
        Jan 2017
        #123
      
        
        Sanders was treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign and there was a ton of material
        Gothmog
        Jan 2017
        #160
      
        
        Polls suggest a majority support for his economic stances, but bigotry gets in the way.
        Garrett78
        Jan 2017
        #169
      
        
        I think Hillary would have lost the pop vote outright if she tacked center like this.
        forjusticethunders
        Jan 2017
        #44
      
        
        It's the same narrative Bernie supporters have been promoting since the election.
        Garrett78
        Jan 2017
        #74
      
        
        Sanders' agenda failed because it had no chance of being adopted in the real world
        Gothmog
        Jan 2017
        #121
      
        
        This is absolutely true.  Bernie distracted Democrats with his attacks on them.
        R B Garr
        Jan 2017
        #52
      
        
        He didn't distract her. He simply never stopped fanning the flames of division.
        NCTraveler
        Jan 2017
        #55
      
        
        Ahh this one again from November. Must be running out of anti-Bernie pieces so we need repeats! nt
        m-lekktor
        Jan 2017
        #58
      
        
        It's the same narrative Bernie supporters have been promoting since the election.
        Garrett78
        Jan 2017
        #70
      
        
        But of course... certain parties here at DU realize their Sanders bullshit is about to shelf expire.
        Raster
        Jan 2017
        #79
      
        
        Simplistic, and totally ignoring the numerous voter suppression tactics employed by the GOP.
        guillaumeb
        Jan 2017
        #76
      
        
        What a load of horse shit. "He pushed her too far left to prevent an effective recentering"
        dionysus
        Jan 2017
        #87
      
        
        All I know is I've heard a whole lot of people voted for Trump only because they disliked Hillary.
        Vinca
        Jan 2017
        #92
      
        
        Yeah, its obvious the Democratic party wants to continue it's long slide into ignominy
        Arazi
        Jan 2017
        #93
      
        
        After the first paragraph I had to LMOA--Really now? Bernie hurt Clinton's chances? Ugh! n/a
        vaberella
        Jan 2017
        #174
      
        
        This is just counterproductive and serves no purpose other than to divide and conquer.
        AgadorSparticus
        Jan 2017
        #178
      
  