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In reply to the discussion: The problem of suffering [View all]

Fortinbras Armstrong

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33. For some reason, I missed the OP when it first came up, but I have some thoughts on the matter
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 06:39 AM
Jan 2016

God is omnipotent, all good, and all lovingWhy, then, is there suffering and evil in the world?

The problem of evil only arises in a certain set of circumstances. If you believe in two gods, one good and one bad, there is no problem. Evil, in such a system, is as much a part of the show as good. The same is true if you believe that God made the world, not out of nothing, but out of some primeval matter he was stuck with. Then you can blame evil on the sleaziness of the raw materials and get God off the hook. Of course, Jesus hanging on the cross means that God is firmly on the hook. However, the problem still remains

However, Christians believe that YHWH is the only God, that all things are created out of nothing, and that God delights in creation and finds it good. So, why is there evil? Moreover, there is not only evil, there is also “the problem of pain.” Evil is those things which people do which are wrong: Pride, anger, envy, greed, lust, sloth, gluttony, etc. Pain is “the thousand natural shocks our flesh is heir to”: Disease, tornadoes, man-eating-sharks. The standard explanation of evil is that God allows us free will, so that we shall choose the good of our own accord, thus furthering God’s glory. However, we have no real answer to the problem of pain. (One of my favorite science fiction stories is Poul Anderson’s “The Problem of Pain.” In it, Anderson posits a monotheistic alien race with a concept of God that answers the problem of pain, but cannot explain why there is evil.)

Some have said that God allows suffering to teach us lessons and make us better. Thus, we have disappointment to teach us perseverance, pain so we learn to keep our hands out of the fire, unkindness from others to help us grow in charity, and so on. The problem is the "and so on": Famine, to teach us what? Earthquakes, for what reason? Cancer, to improve us how? The whole bleeding, dying, screaming, lying, cheating, rotting carcass of the world to uplift us to what end?

This simply does not work. For a few great souls, poverty may be a blessing; for everyone else, it is a curse. Now and then, a terminal disease ennobles, most of the time, it is just rotten. God as a teacher who uses such methods makes him the warden of the worst run penitentiary of all. T. S. Eliot described this view in his poem "East Coker":

The whole earth is our hospital
Endowed by the ruined millionaire,
Wherein, if we do well, we shall
Die of the absolute paternal care
Which does pursue us everywhere.

Others say that suffering is the result of sin. Speaking of a man born blind, the disciples ask, "'Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?' Jesus answered, 'Neither this man nor his parents sinned; he was born blind so that God’s works might be revealed in him.'" (John 9:2-3)

Although scripture affirms sin as causing suffering, it is not the sole cause. Suffering is a conflict between what is and what should be, sickness and health, failure and achievement, rivalry and love. At one level suffering simply describes the tensions that torture us in our attempts to be whole. The suffering caused by sin is aggravated by the conflict arising from self-centeredness, estrangement, and compromise of ideals. In any case, suffering has no value in itself. It is one thing to say that suffering shows the work of God; it is quite another to say that it has redemptive power itself.

The Bible makes it clear that God intends to exterminate suffering. We are called to repent and be saved from suffering. Christ came into the world to lay the foundation for a new kingdom, where "he shall wipe every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; mourning and crying and pain will be no more." (Revelation 21:4)

For Christians, suffering remains impenetrable and incomprehensible, and provokes rebellion. Nor will the Christian blasphemously claim that God himself required Jesus’ death as compensation for what we make of our history. Suffering may be intrinsic to the human condition; but it is not inherent in the grand design God has for the universe. Given God as creator and shepherd, and given the divine presence in the world in the person of Christ, suffering of the innocent is unfathomable.

Even in their denials, skeptics sometimes show a better appreciation for the idea of God than do believers. (Ivan, in Dostoyevsky's Brothers Karamazov, speaks forcefully to this point.) They take seriously the contradiction between a loving God and the reality of evil and pain. Believers do not always face the gulf between evil and pain and an all-powerful God who opposes them. Reason fails before suffering and evil. All attempts to explain and interpret their existence, even in the context of Jesus’ saving work, seem to treat evil on the same level as good, as if it had a right to exist. The proper reaction to suffering and evil is to offer resistance, to act in a way meant to turn history to good effect. The Scriptures do not explain suffering and evil, but call on Christians to resist it and eradicate its causes

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The problem of suffering [View all] el_bryanto Dec 2015 OP
Here's my best TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #1
That's along the lines of what I believe as well el_bryanto Dec 2015 #8
I believe that we have free will and make our own choices. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #2
Does God know everything before it happens? JRLeft Jan 2016 #14
There is no "before" or "after" when it comes to God. rug Jan 2016 #15
That's a cop out. That makes no sense at all. JRLeft Jan 2016 #16
The fact that it makes no sense to you signifies nothing, let alone a cop out. rug Jan 2016 #17
You admit your just making shit up, because you cannot explain JRLeft Jan 2016 #18
Your confusion is hardly an admission on my part. rug Jan 2016 #19
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #20
Did you miss this? rug Jan 2016 #21
So you feel threatened, ridiculous. JRLeft Jan 2016 #22
Yes, JR, you make me feel so threatened I can scarcely type. rug Jan 2016 #23
You're the one insinuating I should be kicked out of the sub forum. JRLeft Jan 2016 #24
No, I'm the one telling you directly to follow the SoP. rug Jan 2016 #26
I am a host in this group, and you are in violation of the SOP. MADem Jan 2016 #30
Results on the hidden post LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #25
Thanks for posting. rug Jan 2016 #27
You can edit your post. MADem Jan 2016 #29
A strong word of warning from this group host: kentauros Jan 2016 #28
What about animals? gelatinous cube Jan 2016 #31
I don't really have a good answr to that question el_bryanto Jan 2016 #32
Free will Rebkeh Dec 2015 #3
The one response to that one that I see is that our decisions do impact other people el_bryanto Dec 2015 #9
True, but Rebkeh Dec 2015 #11
Trying to figure out how to put this into words... kentauros Dec 2015 #4
That is an interesting perception. el_bryanto Dec 2015 #10
Thanks for your thoughts on this. kentauros Dec 2015 #12
I'm not sure if my faith teaches me anything about it. goldent Dec 2015 #5
Was It Paul that said that trying to look at God is like looking through a glass darkly? NCarolinawoman Dec 2015 #13
If I recall correctly, the main goal of Buddhism is to end human suffering Tobin S. Dec 2015 #6
You made some good points there, Tobin. kentauros Dec 2015 #7
For some reason, I missed the OP when it first came up, but I have some thoughts on the matter Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2016 #33
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