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No apologies from me, I can't imagine a more vomit inducing nominee for the Democratic Party [View all] whereisjustice Feb 2015 OP

But, but, but.. Phlem Feb 2015 #1

Bushes And Clintons Working Together In My Opinion billhicks76 Feb 2015 #154

I refuse to stay home and not vote no matter what due to SC. bjobotts Feb 2015 #224

Someone won the primary already? merrily Feb 2015 #234

lol. Hopefully Not billhicks76 Feb 2015 #294

It's Beyond Voting Now billhicks76 Feb 2015 #293

except for the racism, obama 2.0, no big deal msongs Feb 2015 #2

Great post! Because I really expected President Obama to resolve all those issues! PBass Feb 2015 #142

Obama did address all those issues but. .. George II Feb 2015 #173

For his first two years, Democrats had large majorities in both houses, greater than any Democrat is merrily Feb 2015 #238

"Y'all"? just because I don't jump on the bash - Obama (and Clinton) bandwagon.... George II Feb 2015 #286

DU's right does not mean the same as right wing. merrily Mar 2015 #297

A few points............ George II Mar 2015 #307

Black hat/white hat mindsets are for conservatives. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #3

there is a threshold where the consequences are so significant, the moral equity of one side whereisjustice Feb 2015 #5

I hear complaints asiliveandbreathe Feb 2015 #88

Hmmmm obxhead Feb 2015 #93

Hmmmmm asiliveandbreathe Feb 2015 #95

So, you're contention is that ONLY Hillary can win. obxhead Feb 2015 #97

Sure there is - go for it - asiliveandbreathe Feb 2015 #98

I just hope they wear nametags RedstDem Feb 2015 #106

+1 L0oniX Feb 2015 #161

sad but true heaven05 Feb 2015 #115

a true dem will keep a conservative out of the white house at all costs PatrynXX Feb 2015 #132

So you will vote against HRC? obxhead Feb 2015 #144

Loyalty oaths are for J.Edgar Hoovr and Joe McCarthy. They are not for this Group. merrily Feb 2015 #264

+1 Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #179

Thank you obxhead Feb 2015 #143

"She is a Republican through and through" +1 Veilex Feb 2015 #176

Wow, looks like you found that path! pocoloco Feb 2015 #158

They so need a new argument, that is the one they used in 2008. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2015 #128

I look forward to a robust primary season. Who's up? Hekate Feb 2015 #196

....x10 840high Feb 2015 #231

Senator Webb is going to run it sounds like CountAllVotes Feb 2015 #239

Webb will challenge Hillary from the left? Seriously? merrily Feb 2015 #243

I have no idea CountAllVotes Feb 2015 #245

Sure you do. merrily Feb 2015 #247

huh? CountAllVotes Feb 2015 #267

From what I see, I find it far fetched, at best, that Webb will challenge Hillary from the left. merrily Feb 2015 #269

I don't know what his plan is CountAllVotes Feb 2015 #291

Try posting in another group. merrily Feb 2015 #242

Demand Publicly Funded Elections, end campaign contributions, a Super PACs, and the Dustlawyer Feb 2015 #258

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #118

"No one wants to hear your shit." Veilex Feb 2015 #178

Views are not Recs. Lotta people looking in and not commenting. Hekate Feb 2015 #197

And they wouldn't bother to look if they weren't in some way interested... Veilex Feb 2015 #201

Train wrecks are always interesting, in their way. Hekate Feb 2015 #203

Perhaps... but thats a false equivelency you dabling with Veilex Feb 2015 #210

Always more views than replies and more replies than recs. But the thread has a lot of recs, too. merrily Feb 2015 #244

It was on the front page and I thought it was from GD. Hekate Feb 2015 #253

Cool. merrily Feb 2015 #254

168 rec's. I just did. 840high Feb 2015 #232

Exactly my point! Veilex Feb 2015 #261

OK, we get it... TreasonousBastard Feb 2015 #4

Every DNC dime is being spent on her at the exclusion of building a responsive leadership whereisjustice Feb 2015 #6

I have heard complaints before asiliveandbreathe Feb 2015 #91

As you obviously support Hillary perhaps you could give those of us that would rather A Simple Game Feb 2015 #130

He doesn't have to give you anything, and go ahead and puke your guts out politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2015 #185

What's at stake is America's 840high Feb 2015 #233

Lick my wombs? I don't even want to know where your mind is. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #283

Here you go. One analysis of what her positions may be. Fla Dem Mar 2015 #318

Here here!!!! ... TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #102

What money has the DNC spent on HRC? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #109

Rather difficult to find DFW Feb 2015 #134

I didn't think so ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #140

I'm betting you've already heard the Franken quote DFW Feb 2015 #141

Ahhh, yeah! ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #148

Indeed... thats why media groups and HRC fans keep spouting their inevitability garbage. Veilex Feb 2015 #184

Goes back to Lenin DFW Feb 2015 #276

That quote came from Daniel Patrick Monahan George II Feb 2015 #288

That doesn't surprise me DFW Feb 2015 #289

Maybe save that kind of question for GD? merrily Feb 2015 #251

Sorry, Didn't notice I posted to the PRD. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #281

Do you have legitimate sources for that accusation? Or just slander? Hekate Feb 2015 #198

That's not the point zentrum Feb 2015 #28

Many will stay home? leftofcool Feb 2015 #64

What does that have to do with the post? sulphurdunn Feb 2015 #92

The Democratic BASE will not stay home ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #110

Who cares about being "the base"? Nobody negotiates with or caters to automatic votes, there is no TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #309

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #310

Nope, I participate there as well. I'm gonna eat my cake and shit it out too. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #312

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #313

This message was self-deleted by its author Dwight42 Feb 2015 #36

No you don't get it Dwight42 Feb 2015 #37

You can then say hello to President Jebbie. leftofcool Feb 2015 #65

Well Hello Jebbie Hello Dwight42 Feb 2015 #85

I must agree hifiguy Feb 2015 #129

Democrat party? awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #135

Oops, Dwight42 Feb 2015 #138

It's a dogwhistle Hekate Feb 2015 #199

Tell that to the New Democrat Coalition and the New Democrat Caucus. merrily Feb 2015 #265

they can call them what they want awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #272

That's what I always call it, and I would never have named the New Democrat Coalition the way New merrily Feb 2015 #274

At one time I believed myself to be a republican awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #275

The way it was explained to me, it was an ad that Rove ran for Dimson. merrily Mar 2015 #298

yeah, that is why I edited my post awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #301

Awww. That was kind of you. merrily Mar 2015 #303

Agree. bvar22 Feb 2015 #152

Are you sure that Hillary would lose your state by 20 points? Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #221

I am seeing a pattern here asiliveandbreathe Feb 2015 #94

Why don't you post that in GD or the Hillary Group or any one of the other groups where your posts merrily Feb 2015 #255

Oh, yes Clinton was a complete failure who left the country with an excess that Bush gave his buds. olegramps Feb 2015 #108

I think you are missing the point Dwight42 Feb 2015 #121

Yes, he was just a terrible president in whose presidency Americans suffered not. olegramps Feb 2015 #285

NAFTA and repeal of Glass Steagall dwarfed the importance of that modest surplus, which, btw, merrily Feb 2015 #256

Democrats opposed repeal of Glass Steagall until: olegramps Feb 2015 #287

Clinton and Greenspan BOTH actively lobbied for repeal so "veto proof" is a shibboleth . merrily Mar 2015 #296

I never said that he didn't support it; but it had the support of many Democrats in the Senate. olegramps Mar 2015 #299

What a Democratic President and his advisors push on Congress does impact Democratic Senators. merrily Mar 2015 #300

No one told the banks they had to make bad loans. They told them they couldn't use race or rhett o rick Mar 2015 #314

I didn't say he signed it because it was veto proof. It was veto proof was only a fact. olegramps Mar 2015 #316

Thank you. 840high Feb 2015 #235

You don't get it. The last time the DLC put up a candidate against a Bush was 2000 rhett o rick Feb 2015 #47

Of course they want to try it again Mnpaul Feb 2015 #200

What I think is that their owners don't care if HRC loses to Jeb. They would be happy with either. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #204

And they won, but had it stolen. cheapdate Feb 2015 #216

Why take the chance again? Nominate an honest progressive and break the chain of rhett o rick Feb 2015 #217

It's a chance no matter what. cheapdate Feb 2015 #229

We may want the same thing, but I refuse to play the Oligarchs game of rhett o rick Feb 2015 #270

It's my judgement that a messy win is better than principled losing. cheapdate Feb 2015 #271

Barely won. Gore didn't even carry his home state. merrily Feb 2015 #262

Please tell me you're not suggesting a progressive Democrat would win cheapdate Feb 2015 #266

She is better than a Republican shtick doesn't work when her POLICIES are the SAME as the GOP Vincardog Feb 2015 #111

Perhaps you would be happier posting in a different group? merrily Feb 2015 #246

And the Mic is dropped... LovingA2andMI Feb 2015 #7

Hillary Clinton. Where does she stand on the issues of our time? JDPriestly Feb 2015 #8

Hillary is all about promoting Hillary Mnpaul Feb 2015 #14

That sums it up nicely. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #39

So we can add mindreading to your list of talents? uberblonde Feb 2015 #153

You don't have to be a mind reader Mnpaul Feb 2015 #191

YOU MEAN HILLARY HAS THE EGO OF A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE??? aquart Feb 2015 #227

'aye 840high Feb 2015 #236

HILLARY'S VISION Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #54

Look people, we just need more war! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #73

Cackle cackle cackle. L0oniX Feb 2015 #159

The cackle is especially disturbing. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #280

Where there is no vision, the People perish pscot Feb 2015 #79

Kudos for a very thorough, substantive post! Martin Eden Feb 2015 #104

Excellent post MissDeeds Feb 2015 #127

Well, at least you're open about it bhikkhu Feb 2015 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Feb 2015 #10

lol - nice try. Go cry wolf somewhere else. whereisjustice Feb 2015 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Feb 2015 #19

'go cry wolf' look at your own posts pasto76 Feb 2015 #20

Perhaps you should post things like that in GD, or the Hillary Group or some other group? merrily Feb 2015 #248

Thank you. I cringe when I read these kind of posts sunnystarr Feb 2015 #16

Women in general, or a specific group of women? JDPriestly Feb 2015 #27

I've been through 3 presidential elections and crap posts like the OP... LynneSin Feb 2015 #30

Discussion if issues takes a back seat to mocking her personality and voice. Her cankles are next. Hekate Feb 2015 #279

http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/9378/10425744_2.jpg?v=8CDBD2ABE243CF0 blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #11

She cannot win. SoapBox Feb 2015 #12

Agree. She will not win, instead her faux folksy banter will fall as flat as Romney's did whereisjustice Feb 2015 #15

wow you sound exactly like everyone who predicted an Obama loss pasto76 Feb 2015 #22

That's what "she" said about Obama... Ino Feb 2015 #24

You have it backwards. She ran and lost against Obama. People didn't vote for her rhett o rick Feb 2015 #48

Gee, that's not really true. uberblonde Feb 2015 #156

"Clinton came very close to winning." And Al Gore came "very close to winning" in 2000. But they rhett o rick Feb 2015 #171

What part of... uberblonde Feb 2015 #183

Gee, that's not really true. RiverLover Feb 2015 #192

It's not necessary to get rude. I understand that HRC lost the primary to rhett o rick Feb 2015 #194

She didn't win the popular primary vote. nt RiverLover Feb 2015 #205

I am not sure of the significance. She didn't win the primary. She lost. Again, why choose her with rhett o rick Feb 2015 #207

Totally agree RiverLover Feb 2015 #222

Sanctioned for violating her agreement with the DNC? Oh, no, how very unfair! merrily Feb 2015 #268

Really? She beats all the GOP candidates by double digits. leftofcool Feb 2015 #66

As did the other DLC candidate Al Gore. Ooops, my mistake. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #195

That was no mistake CountAllVotes Feb 2015 #241

She's not all that different from all DLC candidates. PedXing Feb 2015 #17

What she lacks is charism. They used to call it "it" in the old Hollywood. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #32

Hafta disagee w/ u there JD. Wit the right coachin from advisors, Hillary can remake herself, appear mor folksy & feel ur pain. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #41

That's exactly the right word. Thanks! PedXing Feb 2015 #49

How many elections has Hillary won in the past? JDPriestly Feb 2015 #51

I hope that all of your 47,000 posts are not as utterly foolish as the ones in this thread. PBass Feb 2015 #147

I can see you are emotionally involved with Hillary's candidacy. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #149

She beat him in the primary popular vote. uberblonde Feb 2015 #167

You nailed it JD. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #263

Gore "lost" Florida by 500 votes lobodons Feb 2015 #18

you should give a shit about who gets the nomination, blindly saying you don't care whereisjustice Feb 2015 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Feb 2015 #61

I don't know if anyone else seen this... ReRe Feb 2015 #21

lol - $300,000 a pop buys a lot of gratuitous swagger. whereisjustice Feb 2015 #26

I wouldn't pay $3 to see it... ReRe Feb 2015 #29

Probably coached to do that so that she appears to be more relaxed JDPriestly Feb 2015 #33

Yeah... ReRe Feb 2015 #38

The hand wavin is what gets me. Hillary definitely needs to work on her speakimg skills -terrible delivery - not to mention her position on impt issues. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #42

I wish she would go ahead... ReRe Feb 2015 #57

She does get passionate when talking about womens and girls rights leftofcool Feb 2015 #67

Funny... ReRe Feb 2015 #71

I notice she wasn't too worried about the women and girls of Iraq when she voted for the IWR. Maedhros Feb 2015 #172

OMG, you have so completely nailed it. hedda_foil Feb 2015 #25

I guess she's too busy trying to keep her hands clean. whereisjustice Feb 2015 #31

She was investigated down to her underwear drawer. They found bupkis. aquart Feb 2015 #226

It says... ReRe Feb 2015 #35

"more vomit inducing?" Sarcastica Feb 2015 #34

Get a Barf Bag, it's going to get worse. Dwight42 Feb 2015 #43

I am in a group and will delete my posts, sorry. sheshe2 Feb 2015 #40

Of course you deserve respect. What does that hafta do with bein a woman? InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #45

At least he PM-ed you. Some group hosts don't have that much class. ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #46

Well said. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #52

Really? sheshe2 Feb 2015 #56

Not BOG, and yes, really. ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #59

Really! I think private mail is more discrete. When I accidentally posted in the BOG rhett o rick Feb 2015 #77

I was banned from the Hilary group pscot Feb 2015 #83

I thought that you were bowing out? BeanMusical Feb 2015 #257

True, but I still respect their requests to delete posts when I post in a group by mistake. merrily Feb 2015 #240

I respect requests to to delete posts too, if and when I get one. ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #273

What does being a woman have to do with being treated with respect? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #190

At the risk of getting a nasty response... KauaiK Feb 2015 #44

I remember Anderson well, I think you are confusing Nixon and Reagan and neither whereisjustice Feb 2015 #295

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2015 #50

IMO almost everything aspirant Feb 2015 #290

Then stay home and don't vote. I don't think your one vote will matter anyway. demosincebirth Feb 2015 #53

The ONLY good thing about her being president would be how she would tear the GOP a new one. cui bono Feb 2015 #55

History suggests otherwise CanadaexPat Mar 2015 #305

because Scott Walker is so much better MFM008 Feb 2015 #58

Is Scott Walker a Democrat?? darkangel218 Feb 2015 #60

Scott Walker isn't our only other choice. In fact, choosing H.Clinton rhett o rick Feb 2015 #80

Kicked and recommended for hard truths that are very difficult for some of our members to accept. Scuba Feb 2015 #62

So, choose a different candidate to support leftofcool Feb 2015 #68

That's an excellent defense of Hillary! Scuba Feb 2015 #70

So, you don't have a candidate that can win? leftofcool Feb 2015 #76

Yeah, I think we can win. But if Hillary is our candidate, we lose whether she wins or not. Scuba Feb 2015 #81

Nailed it. "we lose whether she wins or not" L0oniX Feb 2015 #162

The fact that H. Clinton can raise a lot of money shouldn't be the defining issue. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #78

The logic behind Hillary support is defeatism. Maedhros Feb 2015 #175

I agree with your sentiment, but I can think of even stronger political ipecac: Rahm Emanuel corkhead Feb 2015 #63

And I care what you think because? leftofcool Feb 2015 #69

Well, your disdain is irrelevant. Maedhros Feb 2015 #177

+ a whole shitload tularetom Feb 2015 #72

We know she likes the color purple. RiverLover Feb 2015 #228

She also has cooties! (nt) Skinner Feb 2015 #74

Yes, infection spread by the 1% of the population who believe they are immune by birth right whereisjustice Feb 2015 #82

Not anymore. She deleted her private cooties. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #321

Well then rock Feb 2015 #75

Smugness? Really? The Democrats that ran a DLC candidate were also smug in 2000. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #107

Gotcha rock Feb 2015 #113

Hey I get it. It is what it is. H. Clinton has the big money behind her and it will be rhett o rick Feb 2015 #116

. Agschmid Feb 2015 #84

Stunning Hekate Feb 2015 #206

Hello? Hepburn Feb 2015 #86

Okay - get mad - mad as hell asiliveandbreathe Feb 2015 #87

. stonecutter357 Feb 2015 #89

this will probably get a lot of blue links obxhead Feb 2015 #90

and she is a girl.... stonecutter357 Feb 2015 #96

K&R BrainDrain Feb 2015 #99

Oh, I can imagine many more vomit inducing candidates Warpy Feb 2015 #100

So go out and defeat her BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #101

Just watching her 'affect' during Faux pas Feb 2015 #103

Please propose someone to vote for who will run upaloopa Feb 2015 #105

I agree rtracey Feb 2015 #112

If money choses the candidate, then Hillary wins Dwight42 Feb 2015 #125

Great--more "tax and spend" bullshit. You don't seem to realize that-- eridani Feb 2015 #278

idiotic rtracey Feb 2015 #282

It is the job of government to fund public goods by levying taxes, period eridani Feb 2015 #292

no one rtracey Mar 2015 #306

That our tax system is highly regressive is something we need to fix. eridani Mar 2015 #308

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #122

Yep and let's not vote because the party upaloopa Feb 2015 #123

I'm "literally" fucking myself? jmondine Feb 2015 #114

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. JackHughes Feb 2015 #117

Yeah, she might win - but then what? Maedhros Feb 2015 #181

Some say the Democratic Party has deserted the workers, they have it backwards. olegramps Feb 2015 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #124

Great post. RiverLover Feb 2015 #230

After what you've seen with the repubs for the last 30+ years? DownriverDem Feb 2015 #126

How long have you worked for her campaign? [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #182

DLC types are DYING to claim "The adults are back in charge" and kick out Obama's whole team. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #131

"Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush" greenman3610 Feb 2015 #133

It took all of about ten seconds after SCOTUS threw the election to Bush DFW Feb 2015 #136

Um... "we are literally fucking ourselves" if we sulk and stay home because she's the nominee. calimary Feb 2015 #137

Great thread! I've really learned a lot from DU. PBass Feb 2015 #139

Literally? Iggo Feb 2015 #145

Kudos for your courage swilton Feb 2015 #146

so you decided to puke all over du hopemountain Feb 2015 #150

More Hillary hate...Karl Rove is literally rolling on the floor with laughter randys1 Feb 2015 #151

Ops like this tend to piss off assholes. L0oniX Feb 2015 #155

Glenn Greenwald nutshelled why I personally don't like Hillary 90-percent Feb 2015 #157

“The ultimate guardian of bipartisan status quo corruption” Veilex Feb 2015 #187

Zell Miller and/or George Wallace rpannier Feb 2015 #160

K&R She makes me want to puke!! rury Feb 2015 #163

I can't think of a more vomit-inducing load of crud than this post. RBInMaine Feb 2015 #164

Here, here! BeatleBoot Feb 2015 #165

hear, hear? AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #174

Wrong turn on the internet? AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #168

The Devil in a dress, or jumpsuit. tomsaiditagain Feb 2015 #166

I think we're in serious trouble. So it comes down to Hillary vs Bush (III) ? Time to pack the bags. YOHABLO Feb 2015 #169

You must vomit everytime you see or hear president Obama, too. cheapdate Feb 2015 #170

Don't trust medical advice from the Internet... Agschmid Feb 2015 #208

For a moment, I thought CPAC was live blogging at DU. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #180

You were right the first time. Hekate Feb 2015 #202

LOL Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #211

I guess liberals are at it again!!! uwep Feb 2015 #186

I see no evidence of the OP being liberal. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #212

Riiiight, not Liberal at all... RiverLover Feb 2015 #213

I do not try to fool anyone. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #214

Damn Right! k+1000! n/t Buenaventura Feb 2015 #188

You're entitled to your opinion. We all are. I just wish babylonsister Feb 2015 #189

Posts like yours are more appropriate for GD, the Hillary Group or some group other than this one. merrily Feb 2015 #249

I look forward to seeing this OP quoted verbatim far and wide as how "Democrats" think... Hekate Feb 2015 #193

Trolling with "rage bait" like this is the fastest way to get voted onto the "Greatest" page PBass Feb 2015 #209

Neither can the Koch Bros, the GOP, and Neo-Confederates. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #215

People who DARE criticize Hillary... nikto Feb 2015 #218

Needed to be said to offset the Pravda like worship of a corp McCandidate, appointed heir apparent whereisjustice Feb 2015 #223

Hillary is basically into Reaganomics nikto Feb 2015 #219

well, there's Rahm Doctor_J Feb 2015 #220

Cold enough to know the names of all her employees aquart Feb 2015 #225

Whoa MissDeeds Feb 2015 #237

Also, accusing everyone who criticizes Hillary of sexism is bs. merrily Mar 2015 #304

As usual, DU's right has little to no respect for the fact that is a group, not GD. merrily Feb 2015 #250

After some hours away... ReRe Feb 2015 #252

Well said MissDeeds Feb 2015 #260

+1 KoKo Mar 2015 #302

Tell us how you really feel, haha. While I wudn't use such strong language, like u, I'm definitely concerned bout Hillary as a candidate, but not just on the issues... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #259

Apparently... nikto Feb 2015 #277

Plus, it still doesn't guarantee a damn thing except we get hosed either way. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #311

Hey Progressive Peeps! YES Reality is finally showing in some polls~ RiverLover Feb 2015 #284

She is the choice of the 1%. They owe her. She didn't make it in 2008 and imo, she won't make it sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #315

It appears that the 2016 election is going jeepers Mar 2015 #317

This thread is the very example of what you claimed didn't exist BainsBane Mar 2015 #319

Civil rights? BainsBane Mar 2015 #320