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krawhitham

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42. We lost because 3-6m Dem voters stayed home

Fri Apr 18, 2025, 10:46 AM

Apr 2025

2024
Dems 75,017,613
GQP 77,302,580
other 2,950,136
total 155,270,329

2020
Dems 81,283,501
GQP 74,223,975
Other 3,011,867
total 158,519,343

2020 vs 2024
Dems -6,265,888
GQP +3,078,605
Other +61,731
Total +3,249,014

Maybe the orange turd converted 3 million Dems or maybe he just drove 3 million more of his supports to the polls

Be we lost because we stayed home, many stayed home, specially in the 65+ age group solely because Joe was pushed out. (You push an old guy out, old people have going to have feelings about it)

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James Carville's "advice" helped give us Trump 2.0 [View all] Jack Valentino Apr 2025 OP

Jimmy had the great luck to sign on with the most charismatic candidate since JFK... regnaD kciN Apr 2025 #1

and I don't recall him giving Kamala any advice Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #2

Does anyone listen to Carville anymore?? InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2025 #27

NOBODY should be listening to him, anymore. Paladin Apr 2025 #29

I second that... it's time for a new generation of Democrats to take over!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2025 #38

He stole my SCROTUS description and used it the next day methinks. GreenWave Apr 2025 #30

Rightwing media does, apparently. FoxNewsSucks Apr 2025 #81

I dunno. Carville nor anyone else gave that disastrous performance at the debate. brush Apr 2025 #3

Why not? He already had the nomination sown up. People's memories are short--- Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #4

Your memory must be short too. He was being blasted daily by... brush Apr 2025 #5

Post removed Post removed Apr 2025 #15

I don't think it was just his money, FoxNewsSucks Apr 2025 #82

Absolutely. I still don't believe trump won all swing states legitimately. brush Apr 2025 #84

Joe needed to BOOM his voice about Trump outrages. GreenWave Apr 2025 #31

It was Biden's debate performance, even people on here JI7 Apr 2025 #6

And I don't have much use for them either--- Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #7

Here, I blame Biden's campaign team karynnj Apr 2025 #23

Agreed, under those circumstances they should have canceled and Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #56

I had consistency said this about debates kansasobama Apr 2025 #32

Rather agree with this, also--- Trump doesn't "debate", he just screams falsehoods Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #57

I agree on Trump, but not on Bush in 2004 karynnj Apr 2025 #73

Oh please. valleyrogue Apr 2025 #43

BS and you know it. William769 Apr 2025 #8

The rest of them can share the responsibility for it. Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #9

I've already put it someplace else. William769 Apr 2025 #10

Oh, WONDERFUL! Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #11

What IS "BS" is the idea taken up by so many in our party last year, Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #12

Vice President Biden markodochartaigh Apr 2025 #13

"I might have been sometimes 'sleepy' --- Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #55

Regardless of what we think "woulda" or "coulda" happened in '24 if things were done differently... Mister Ed Apr 2025 #14

I merely found him worthy enough to ask that he "shut the fuck up" :) Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #61

Aye. Please understand that my reply was not a criticism of your OP... Mister Ed Apr 2025 #72

Biden was the first incumbent where a strong majority of the voters said that he was not capable of performing everyonematters Apr 2025 #16

All the people that thought they knew better Johonny Apr 2025 #17

Democrats would have lost the Wisconsin, Michigan and Nevada senate races if Biden remained in the race. Self Esteem Apr 2025 #19

"Prophet, say you?" Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #60

It doesn't take a prophet to read the polling... Self Esteem Apr 2025 #75

I have to disagree with the Biden debate not being worse that Bush or Obama EdmondDantes_ Apr 2025 #26

Why do Dems keep debating kansasobama Apr 2025 #33

Are you suggesting Biden would have won? Self Esteem Apr 2025 #18

Maybe... maybe not. But James Carville's advice didn't give us the White House, Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #71

No maybe. He was not going to win. Self Esteem Apr 2025 #74

So true karynnj Apr 2025 #20

Not a fan of Carville but I strongly disagree that Biden would have faired better. tman Apr 2025 #21

We lost because 3-6m Dem voters stayed home krawhitham Apr 2025 #42

Nah. Self Esteem Apr 2025 #45

You make a good point, many Dems just didn't show up to vote on November 5th, so Shitler won. red dog 1 Apr 2025 #47

Whereas I'm in agreement with much of your post, PCIntern Apr 2025 #22

I disagree. I think AOC could be "Obama 2.0"---- Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #58

Biden at the top of the ticket could have potentially cost us Senate races in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Arizona tritsofme Apr 2025 #24

That is merely a supposition without any support--- and all those "folks" who Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #62

Joe Biden would have lost. In It to Win It Apr 2025 #25

Quite possibly---- but failing to renominate your incumbent President has Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #63

The past doesn't guarantee it will be repeated in the future In It to Win It Apr 2025 #65

WRONG. For the past 100 years, it DOES guarantee that you will LOSE Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #67

Ok. I respectfully disagree. In It to Win It Apr 2025 #68

Show me a party that won the presidential general election after Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #69

No. I'm good. You've made your point. I've made mine. In It to Win It Apr 2025 #70

I respect and appreciate history, BUT rehashing Biden yes Biden no is a waste. NoMoreRepugs Apr 2025 #28

He actually called on Harris to endorse a primary. gulliver Apr 2025 #34

James Carville is LONG past his prime, not worth listening to at all IrishBubbaLiberal Apr 2025 #35

"Like an old football star in high school, decades later still living in the past" red dog 1 Apr 2025 #48

I wish I was having some Golden Boy pizza right now IrishBubbaLiberal Apr 2025 #50

They both seem to have their hand stuck down their pants.... Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #64

We desperately needed Joe Biden in 2020--a steady hand at the wheel to guide... Ol Janx Spirit Apr 2025 #36

Fighting back Scubamatt Apr 2025 #37

You had a rec from me until AOC came up RandomNumbers Apr 2025 #39

2008, 2012, and 2020---- according to the Republicans--- Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #66

I blame the corporate media SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2025 #40

I agree. red dog 1 Apr 2025 #49

Uh oh....Carville said something Mountainguy Apr 2025 #41

David Gergen played this role far better Mike 03 Apr 2025 #44

Skeletor needs to STFU and go away. Imo, of course. demmiblue Apr 2025 #46

Him, Carville, & Axelrod are my last nerve UTUSN Apr 2025 #51

I agree with you Keepthesoulalive Apr 2025 #52

Oh snap ILikePie92 Apr 2025 #53

Mr. Matalin is well past his expiration date. PurgedVoter Apr 2025 #54

Biden was never going to win iemanja Apr 2025 #59

Should have dropped out after the mid-term. n/t thought crime Apr 2025 #83

And he did not win the election, something happened. I'm not sure what but there's no way with. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2025 #76

200 bomb threats called in on election day way more than ever Eliot Rosewater Apr 2025 #78

Blaming Carville for our loss is not legitimate. IMO, the blame for our lose was because walkingman Apr 2025 #77

He should shut Faux pas Apr 2025 #79

Look who he's married to. samplegirl Apr 2025 #80