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Self Esteem

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75. It doesn't take a prophet to read the polling...

Sat Apr 19, 2025, 06:01 PM

Apr 2025

...and why every single one of those senators pushed for Biden to step aside. They knew with him at the top of the ticket, he would have sank their reelection bids and they knew this because their own internal polling was showing it.

Polls consistently showed Democrats were not enthusiastic at all about Biden being in the race. I know so many people here wanted to plug their ears and ignore reality about the polling ... but it was far closer to being right than anyone here.

But let's not talk about being prophetic.

I was put through the ringer multiple times for how many times I said the race was a toss-up and that Harris could lose.

I'm not a prophet but I can read the vibes and the polling and everything was trending toward disaster with Biden in the race.

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James Carville's "advice" helped give us Trump 2.0 [View all] Jack Valentino Apr 2025 OP

Jimmy had the great luck to sign on with the most charismatic candidate since JFK... regnaD kciN Apr 2025 #1

and I don't recall him giving Kamala any advice Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #2

Does anyone listen to Carville anymore?? InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2025 #27

NOBODY should be listening to him, anymore. Paladin Apr 2025 #29

I second that... it's time for a new generation of Democrats to take over!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2025 #38

He stole my SCROTUS description and used it the next day methinks. GreenWave Apr 2025 #30

Rightwing media does, apparently. FoxNewsSucks Apr 2025 #81

I dunno. Carville nor anyone else gave that disastrous performance at the debate. brush Apr 2025 #3

Why not? He already had the nomination sown up. People's memories are short--- Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #4

Your memory must be short too. He was being blasted daily by... brush Apr 2025 #5

Post removed Post removed Apr 2025 #15

I don't think it was just his money, FoxNewsSucks Apr 2025 #82

Absolutely. I still don't believe trump won all swing states legitimately. brush Apr 2025 #84

Joe needed to BOOM his voice about Trump outrages. GreenWave Apr 2025 #31

It was Biden's debate performance, even people on here JI7 Apr 2025 #6

And I don't have much use for them either--- Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #7

Here, I blame Biden's campaign team karynnj Apr 2025 #23

Agreed, under those circumstances they should have canceled and Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #56

I had consistency said this about debates kansasobama Apr 2025 #32

Rather agree with this, also--- Trump doesn't "debate", he just screams falsehoods Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #57

I agree on Trump, but not on Bush in 2004 karynnj Apr 2025 #73

Oh please. valleyrogue Apr 2025 #43

BS and you know it. William769 Apr 2025 #8

The rest of them can share the responsibility for it. Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #9

I've already put it someplace else. William769 Apr 2025 #10

Oh, WONDERFUL! Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #11

What IS "BS" is the idea taken up by so many in our party last year, Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #12

Vice President Biden markodochartaigh Apr 2025 #13

"I might have been sometimes 'sleepy' --- Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #55

Regardless of what we think "woulda" or "coulda" happened in '24 if things were done differently... Mister Ed Apr 2025 #14

I merely found him worthy enough to ask that he "shut the fuck up" :) Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #61

Aye. Please understand that my reply was not a criticism of your OP... Mister Ed Apr 2025 #72

Biden was the first incumbent where a strong majority of the voters said that he was not capable of performing everyonematters Apr 2025 #16

All the people that thought they knew better Johonny Apr 2025 #17

Democrats would have lost the Wisconsin, Michigan and Nevada senate races if Biden remained in the race. Self Esteem Apr 2025 #19

"Prophet, say you?" Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #60

It doesn't take a prophet to read the polling... Self Esteem Apr 2025 #75

I have to disagree with the Biden debate not being worse that Bush or Obama EdmondDantes_ Apr 2025 #26

Why do Dems keep debating kansasobama Apr 2025 #33

Are you suggesting Biden would have won? Self Esteem Apr 2025 #18

Maybe... maybe not. But James Carville's advice didn't give us the White House, Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #71

No maybe. He was not going to win. Self Esteem Apr 2025 #74

So true karynnj Apr 2025 #20

Not a fan of Carville but I strongly disagree that Biden would have faired better. tman Apr 2025 #21

We lost because 3-6m Dem voters stayed home krawhitham Apr 2025 #42

Nah. Self Esteem Apr 2025 #45

You make a good point, many Dems just didn't show up to vote on November 5th, so Shitler won. red dog 1 Apr 2025 #47

Whereas I'm in agreement with much of your post, PCIntern Apr 2025 #22

I disagree. I think AOC could be "Obama 2.0"---- Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #58

Biden at the top of the ticket could have potentially cost us Senate races in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Arizona tritsofme Apr 2025 #24

That is merely a supposition without any support--- and all those "folks" who Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #62

Joe Biden would have lost. In It to Win It Apr 2025 #25

Quite possibly---- but failing to renominate your incumbent President has Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #63

The past doesn't guarantee it will be repeated in the future In It to Win It Apr 2025 #65

WRONG. For the past 100 years, it DOES guarantee that you will LOSE Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #67

Ok. I respectfully disagree. In It to Win It Apr 2025 #68

Show me a party that won the presidential general election after Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #69

No. I'm good. You've made your point. I've made mine. In It to Win It Apr 2025 #70

I respect and appreciate history, BUT rehashing Biden yes Biden no is a waste. NoMoreRepugs Apr 2025 #28

He actually called on Harris to endorse a primary. gulliver Apr 2025 #34

James Carville is LONG past his prime, not worth listening to at all IrishBubbaLiberal Apr 2025 #35

"Like an old football star in high school, decades later still living in the past" red dog 1 Apr 2025 #48

I wish I was having some Golden Boy pizza right now IrishBubbaLiberal Apr 2025 #50

They both seem to have their hand stuck down their pants.... Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #64

We desperately needed Joe Biden in 2020--a steady hand at the wheel to guide... Ol Janx Spirit Apr 2025 #36

Fighting back Scubamatt Apr 2025 #37

You had a rec from me until AOC came up RandomNumbers Apr 2025 #39

2008, 2012, and 2020---- according to the Republicans--- Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #66

I blame the corporate media SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2025 #40

I agree. red dog 1 Apr 2025 #49

Uh oh....Carville said something Mountainguy Apr 2025 #41

David Gergen played this role far better Mike 03 Apr 2025 #44

Skeletor needs to STFU and go away. Imo, of course. demmiblue Apr 2025 #46

Him, Carville, & Axelrod are my last nerve UTUSN Apr 2025 #51

I agree with you Keepthesoulalive Apr 2025 #52

Oh snap ILikePie92 Apr 2025 #53

Mr. Matalin is well past his expiration date. PurgedVoter Apr 2025 #54

Biden was never going to win iemanja Apr 2025 #59

Should have dropped out after the mid-term. n/t thought crime Apr 2025 #83

And he did not win the election, something happened. I'm not sure what but there's no way with. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2025 #76

200 bomb threats called in on election day way more than ever Eliot Rosewater Apr 2025 #78

Blaming Carville for our loss is not legitimate. IMO, the blame for our lose was because walkingman Apr 2025 #77

He should shut Faux pas Apr 2025 #79

Look who he's married to. samplegirl Apr 2025 #80