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progressoid

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6. They only wanted White, land owning men to vote...
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 11:06 AM
Yesterday

Adams talked about it with James Sullivan, a state court judge in Massachusetts

May 26, 1776

It is certain in theory, that the only moral foundation of government is the [agreement] of the people, but to what an extent shall we carry this principle? Shall we say, that every individual of the community, old and young, male and female, as well as rich and poor, must [agree] to every act of legislation?...

Is it not equally true, that men in general in every society, who [are poor and do not own property], are also [unfamiliar] with public affairs to form a right judgment, and too dependent upon other men to have a will of their own? …Few men, who have no property, have any judgment of their own. They talk and vote as they are directed by some man of property, who has attached their minds to his interest.

Depend upon it, sir, it is dangerous to open [such a] source of controversy and altercation, as would be opened by attempting to [change] the qualifications of voters. There will be no end of it. New claims will arise. Women will demand a vote. Lads from 12 to 21 will think their rights not enough attended to, and every man, who has not a [dime], will demand an equal voice with any other in all acts of state. It tends to confound and destroy all distinctions, and [surrender] all ranks, to one common level.

https://shec.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/1645

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Evil Clowns weren't a thing in 1776. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #1
Look up Pulcinella Geechie Yesterday #7
Thanks! Fear of creepy clowns must be in human DNA. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #8
Pantagruel, like Trump .. a goutish lout, no doubt. Bo Zarts Yesterday #15
"goutish" MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #20
Actually, I think the thing they didn't foresee was that an entire party would capitulate to an authoritarian. CrispyQ Yesterday #2
They didn't want there to be any parties at all soldierant Yesterday #18
That's exactly what I've been thinking William Seger Yesterday #3
You have to remember Hieronymus Phact Yesterday #4
Really? Beowulf42 Yesterday #11
Yes Really Hieronymus Phact Yesterday #13
They got a few things wrong Sugarcoated 19 hrs ago #27
Yes they did Hieronymus Phact 19 hrs ago #28
Idiocracy has come true. n/t SpankMe Yesterday #5
They only wanted White, land owning men to vote... progressoid Yesterday #6
They wanted a weapon to hurt the people they hated, and address their grievances. patphil Yesterday #9
Actually, some of the founders were very worried about the possibility of a populist being elected by dumb voters. Martin68 Yesterday #10
True, but it was a bad idea that has actually made Whyisthisstillclose Yesterday #12
Perhaps you missed my comment that it didn't work... Martin68 8 hrs ago #32
The other reason for the electoral college was to protect slavery. NNadir 11 hrs ago #31
This picture makes me want to punch his ugly vile face doing his jerk of dance kimbutgar Yesterday #14
Eloquent! MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #21
I am still shocked that anyone voted for this idiot LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #16
They probably also believed that... LudwigPastorius Yesterday #17
Stupidity itself can be just as bad if not worse than pure evil DSandra Yesterday #19
They had classical educations, and the Greeks and Romans had plenty of such characters... JHB Yesterday #22
or that an entire political party would pimp for something like that Skittles Yesterday #23
Tyrant CitizenZero Yesterday #24
American voters are this stupid or maybe not so stupid...... SupportSanity 23 hrs ago #25
Or that the GOP, or any other party, would behave with willful abonnement of all principles in the face of such lunacy Ford_Prefect 23 hrs ago #26
They weren't all that smart if true... Meowmee 18 hrs ago #29
Even if they could have there is no solution for stupidity in a democratic government. D23MIURG23 11 hrs ago #30
No one in this world, so far as I know and I have researched the records for years, Ping Tung 8 hrs ago #33
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