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In reply to the discussion: Middle Age Riot is onto something. [View all]progressoid
(51,316 posts)6. They only wanted White, land owning men to vote...
Adams talked about it with James Sullivan, a state court judge in Massachusetts
May 26, 1776
It is certain in theory, that the only moral foundation of government is the [agreement] of the people, but to what an extent shall we carry this principle? Shall we say, that every individual of the community, old and young, male and female, as well as rich and poor, must [agree] to every act of legislation?...
Is it not equally true, that men in general in every society, who [are poor and do not own property], are also [unfamiliar] with public affairs to form a right judgment, and too dependent upon other men to have a will of their own? Few men, who have no property, have any judgment of their own. They talk and vote as they are directed by some man of property, who has attached their minds to his interest.
Depend upon it, sir, it is dangerous to open [such a] source of controversy and altercation, as would be opened by attempting to [change] the qualifications of voters. There will be no end of it. New claims will arise. Women will demand a vote. Lads from 12 to 21 will think their rights not enough attended to, and every man, who has not a [dime], will demand an equal voice with any other in all acts of state. It tends to confound and destroy all distinctions, and [surrender] all ranks, to one common level.
https://shec.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/1645
It is certain in theory, that the only moral foundation of government is the [agreement] of the people, but to what an extent shall we carry this principle? Shall we say, that every individual of the community, old and young, male and female, as well as rich and poor, must [agree] to every act of legislation?...
Is it not equally true, that men in general in every society, who [are poor and do not own property], are also [unfamiliar] with public affairs to form a right judgment, and too dependent upon other men to have a will of their own? Few men, who have no property, have any judgment of their own. They talk and vote as they are directed by some man of property, who has attached their minds to his interest.
Depend upon it, sir, it is dangerous to open [such a] source of controversy and altercation, as would be opened by attempting to [change] the qualifications of voters. There will be no end of it. New claims will arise. Women will demand a vote. Lads from 12 to 21 will think their rights not enough attended to, and every man, who has not a [dime], will demand an equal voice with any other in all acts of state. It tends to confound and destroy all distinctions, and [surrender] all ranks, to one common level.
https://shec.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/1645
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Actually, I think the thing they didn't foresee was that an entire party would capitulate to an authoritarian.
CrispyQ
Yesterday
#2
They wanted a weapon to hurt the people they hated, and address their grievances.
patphil
Yesterday
#9
Actually, some of the founders were very worried about the possibility of a populist being elected by dumb voters.
Martin68
Yesterday
#10
This picture makes me want to punch his ugly vile face doing his jerk of dance
kimbutgar
Yesterday
#14
They had classical educations, and the Greeks and Romans had plenty of such characters...
JHB
Yesterday
#22
Or that the GOP, or any other party, would behave with willful abonnement of all principles in the face of such lunacy
Ford_Prefect
23 hrs ago
#26
Even if they could have there is no solution for stupidity in a democratic government.
D23MIURG23
11 hrs ago
#30
No one in this world, so far as I know and I have researched the records for years,
Ping Tung
8 hrs ago
#33