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LetMyPeopleVote

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6. RFK is a tool of Bannon/TFG. I remember Nader being used by Rove to defeat Al Gore
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 01:03 PM
Jun 10

I will never forgive Nader. Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html


Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader’s campaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP’s Laura Meckler headlined “GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads.” She opened: “Hoping to boost Ralph Nader in states where he is threatening to hurt Al Gore, a Republican group is launching TV ads featuring Nader attacking the vice president [Mr. Gore]. ... ‘Al Gore is suffering from election year delusion if he thinks his record on the environment is anything to be proud of,’ Nader says [in the commercial]. An announcer interjects: ‘What’s Al Gore’s real record?’ Nader says: ‘Eight years of principles betrayed and promises broken.’” Meckler’s report continued: “A spokeswoman for the Green Party nominee said that his campaign had no control over what other organizations do with Nader’s speeches.” Bush’s people - the group sponsoring this particular ad happened to be the Republican Leadership Council - knew exactly what they were doing, even though the liberal suckers who voted so carelessly for Ralph Nader obviously did not. Anyone who drives a car the way those liberal fools voted, faces charges of criminal negligence, at the very least. But this time, the entire nation crashed as a result; not merely a single car.....

On July 9th, the San Francisco Chronicle headlined “GOP Doners Funding Nader: Bush Supporters Give Independent’s Bid a Financial Lift,” and reported that the Nader campaign “has received a recent windfall of contributions from deep-pocketed Republicans with a history of big contributions to the party,” according to “an analysis of federal records.” Perhaps these contributors were Ambassador Egan’s other friends. Mr. Egan’s wife was now listed among the Nader contributors. Another listed was “Nijad Fares, a Houston businessman, who donated $200,000 to the Bush inaugural committee and who donated $2,000 each to the Nader effort and the Bush campaign this year.” Furthermore, Ari Berman reported 7 October 2004 at the Nation, under “Swift Boat Veterans for Nader,” that some major right-wing funders of a Republican smear campaign against Senator John Kerry’s Vietnam service contributed also $13,500 to the Nader campaign, and that “the Republican Party of Michigan gathered ninety percent of Nader’s signatures in their state” (90%!) to place Nader on the ballot so Bush could win that swing state’s 17 electoral votes. Clearly, the word had gone out to Bush’s big contributors: Help Ralphie boy! In fact, on 15 September 2005, John DiStaso of the Manchester Union-Leader, reported that, “A year ago, as the Presidential general election campaign raged in battleground state New Hampshire, consumer advocate Ralph Nader found his way onto the ballot, with the help of veteran Republican strategist David Carney and the Carney-owned Norway Hill Associates consulting firm.”

It was obvious, based upon the 2000 election results, that a dollar contributed to Nader in the 2004 contest would probably be a more effective way to achieve a Bush win against Kerry in the U.S. Presidential election than were perhaps even ten dollars contributed to Bush. This was a way of peeling crucial votes off from Bush’s real opponent - votes that otherwise would have gone to the Democrat. That’s why the smartest Republican money in the 2004 Presidential election was actually going to Nader, even more so than to Bush himself: these indirect Bush contributions provided by far the biggest bang for the right-wing buck.

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Have been for years. 3catwoman3 Jun 10 #1
So true TommieMommy Jun 10 #2
Hope we've learned something about handling 3rd Party candidates. Silent Type Jun 10 #3
Sadly, I don't think we have FemDemERA Jun 10 #40
I agree. Third party candidates sure hurt us in the last election. BlueKentuckyGirl Jun 10 #67
The people I know who voted for Jill Stein are still saying "We told you so!" cab67 Jun 10 #65
I blame Lucy Torchlight Jun 10 #4
Never stopped. Aristus Jun 10 #5
I want someone in the Oval Office who is a lot smarter... 3catwoman3 Jun 10 #47
RFK is a tool of Bannon/TFG. I remember Nader being used by Rove to defeat Al Gore LetMyPeopleVote Jun 10 #6
Wouldof could0f shouldof. William769 Jun 10 #7
I dislike all 3rd-Party candidates for president. Gore1FL Jun 10 #8
Perpetually wryter2000 Jun 10 #9
Hard to say if 9/11 would not have happened, but the response would have been different. 33taw Jun 10 #10
Oh yeah. For sure. BannonsLiver Jun 10 #11
never been pissed stillcool Jun 10 #12
Right. elleng Jun 10 #41
Nader forced the Supreme Court to make Bush POTUS? leftstreet Jun 10 #13
If not for Nader SocialDemocrat61 Jun 10 #68
If Florida Sec of State Katherine Harris hadn't... Chemical Bill Jun 10 #73
Also true SocialDemocrat61 Jun 10 #76
Watch it. Nonnia Bisnez Jun 10 #69
While we're all directing anger at a progressive icon, let's remember unblock Jun 10 #14
Nader!! BootinUp Jun 10 #15
I've been pissed at him since he dissed the fine Corvair automobile. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 10 #16
Not a fan of Ike? Polybius Jun 10 #18
Just kidding. And, I was too young to vote in that one anyway. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 10 #20
That what my mother used to say. MIButterfly Jun 10 #25
Are you kidding? Ike was the Supreme Allied Commander and a deified war hero. He was popular marybourg Jun 10 #22
He was a war hero until Little Rock. czarjak Jun 10 #34
And to this very day, all of their teeth fall out wolfie001 Jun 10 #52
This thread gives off 'Twilight Zone' vibes wolfie001 Jun 10 #50
Gore didn't invent the Internet, either. Chemical Bill Jun 10 #74
In this timeline, I wonder who the Democratic nominee would be in 2008 Polybius Jun 10 #17
While I understand your subtext markodochartaigh Jun 10 #19
I blame spiderman. nt ImNotGod Jun 10 #21
I am mcar Jun 10 #23
I was watching "Politically Incorrect" when Maher endorsed Nader. John1956PA Jun 10 #24
I was watching "Politically Incorrect" when Bill Maher and Michael Moore both got down on their knees and MIButterfly Jun 10 #28
He's apologized many times, said he learned his lesson and never voted third party again. betsuni Jun 10 #45
"Hillary's got this" wolfie001 Jun 10 #53
He has some podcast, if you need to get some sleep Klarkashton Jun 10 #26
No, that was 25 years ago ! Nigrum Cattus Jun 10 #27
I'm pissed at Billy Joel lapfog_1 Jun 10 #29
Corvair was my first car. It was smokin'. Just when you ran the heater. Put the windows down or you die. twodogsbarking Jun 10 #30
Blame the voters Shrek Jun 10 #31
Yes, and people who voted for him, too. LisaM Jun 10 #32
Post removed Post removed Jun 10 #33
+1 leftstreet Jun 10 #38
I got pissed off at him back in the 1960s synni Jun 10 #35
Interesting UnderThisLaw Jun 10 #48
Is he still alive? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 10 #36
Yeah mr715 Jun 10 #37
Yes, and there would still be Corvairs at your Chevy dealer, too. MineralMan Jun 10 #39
Jim Hightower Cirsium Jun 10 #42
Rec. progressoid Jun 10 #55
I seriously considered voting for Nader. I remember sitting in the local deli perusing my sample ballot. jls4561 Jun 10 #43
Just a few samples of Hillary's competence and successes Pris Jun 10 #58
Pete ran in 2019-2020. We both voted for him BootinUp Jun 10 #61
Going on to over fifty years now. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 10 #44
The seatbelts were great. He needed to stay with public safety. Pris Jun 10 #46
Who? Oh...that guy. You have to give him credit. He inspired RFK, worm brain genius, to get fluoride out of... NNadir Jun 10 #49
Nope. I like Nader, he did a lot of good things. Autumn Jun 10 #51
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 10 #54
Hi Sunshine! Enjoying your day? GP6971 Jun 10 #63
So, what's your Can-Do strategy? Torchlight Jun 10 #72
Nope. But I do have a grudge against whoever invented plastic bubble packaging that requires Ping Tung Jun 10 #56
Try explosives. n/t Chemical Bill Jun 10 #75
I'm pissed at Samuel Tilden, too. Wednesdays Jun 10 #57
Post removed Post removed Jun 10 #59
Gore won. Nader is just a convenient foil. rubbersole Jun 10 #60
It was the NY Times and the Washington Post that jg10003 Jun 10 #62
Not me Fiendish Thingy Jun 10 #64
No. H2O Man Jun 10 #66
Bush ended up with 537 more Florida votes than Gore (not counting the Supreme Court votes to stop the recount). Pinback Jun 10 #70
No more than I'm pissed off at the Libertarians or any other splinter party Warpy Jun 10 #71
Now they have that pun David Hogg taking his place. creeksneakers2 Jun 11 #77
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