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In reply to the discussion: Anyone else pissed at Ralph Nader? [View all]Cirsium
(2,775 posts)42. Jim Hightower
How Florida Democrats torpedoed Gore
Nader only drew 24,000 Democrats to his cause, yet 308,000 Democrats voted for Bush. Hello. If Gore had taken even 1 percent of these Democrats from Bush, Nader's votes wouldn't have mattered. Second, liberals. Sheesh. Gore lost 191,000 self-described liberals to Bush, compared to less than 34,000 who voted for Nader.
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Some liberals noted that Bush actually has proposed less of an increase in the Pentagon's already-bloated budget than Gore did, and some were so angered by the vice president's atrocious record of selling out working families, environmentalists and farmers that they wanted to give him the double-whammy of taking a vote from him and giving it to Bush. In any event, Gore failed to close the deal with these voters -- a fact that has nothing to do with Nader.
There are plenty of other points that can be made about Gore's loss, including the fact that if he'd carried his own state of Tennessee (where Nader was not a factor), all of this would be moot. But the real need is for progressives (whether Gore-backers, Naderites or neither) to get beyond this presidential election and get down to the real business of building a long-term, grass-roots movement that taps into the latent power of more than 100 million discarded voters. If we succeed at that, we can produce a historic political realignment, creating both politics that people can be proud of and a country with a bright, democratic future.
https://www.salon.com/2000/11/28/hightower/
Nader only drew 24,000 Democrats to his cause, yet 308,000 Democrats voted for Bush. Hello. If Gore had taken even 1 percent of these Democrats from Bush, Nader's votes wouldn't have mattered. Second, liberals. Sheesh. Gore lost 191,000 self-described liberals to Bush, compared to less than 34,000 who voted for Nader.
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Some liberals noted that Bush actually has proposed less of an increase in the Pentagon's already-bloated budget than Gore did, and some were so angered by the vice president's atrocious record of selling out working families, environmentalists and farmers that they wanted to give him the double-whammy of taking a vote from him and giving it to Bush. In any event, Gore failed to close the deal with these voters -- a fact that has nothing to do with Nader.
There are plenty of other points that can be made about Gore's loss, including the fact that if he'd carried his own state of Tennessee (where Nader was not a factor), all of this would be moot. But the real need is for progressives (whether Gore-backers, Naderites or neither) to get beyond this presidential election and get down to the real business of building a long-term, grass-roots movement that taps into the latent power of more than 100 million discarded voters. If we succeed at that, we can produce a historic political realignment, creating both politics that people can be proud of and a country with a bright, democratic future.
https://www.salon.com/2000/11/28/hightower/
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RFK is a tool of Bannon/TFG. I remember Nader being used by Rove to defeat Al Gore
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 10
#6
Hard to say if 9/11 would not have happened, but the response would have been different.
33taw
Jun 10
#10
Are you kidding? Ike was the Supreme Allied Commander and a deified war hero. He was popular
marybourg
Jun 10
#22
I was watching "Politically Incorrect" when Bill Maher and Michael Moore both got down on their knees and
MIButterfly
Jun 10
#28
He's apologized many times, said he learned his lesson and never voted third party again.
betsuni
Jun 10
#45
Corvair was my first car. It was smokin'. Just when you ran the heater. Put the windows down or you die.
twodogsbarking
Jun 10
#30
I seriously considered voting for Nader. I remember sitting in the local deli perusing my sample ballot.
jls4561
Jun 10
#43
Who? Oh...that guy. You have to give him credit. He inspired RFK, worm brain genius, to get fluoride out of...
NNadir
Jun 10
#49
Nope. But I do have a grudge against whoever invented plastic bubble packaging that requires
Ping Tung
Jun 10
#56