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Bluetus

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89. Excuse me, I am 70 and there hasn't been a single election when I had any input

Sun Jul 6, 2025, 06:55 PM

Jul 6

to the selection of our Presidential candidate. And I have supported every one of them,, So don't try to blame a whole series of milquetoast candidates and campaigns on me.

Yes, it is hard to see how Republicans can vote for a person like Trump, but we made it easy by presenting candidates who were advised to never say anything controversial and just count on the Daley ground game to win the election.

That is how we got to this point -- elected Democrats who were cocksure that all the institutions would hold.

I've had it with all the people here telling me "Shut up, Mueller's got this" or "Shut up, Smith's got this" or "Shut up, Biden's got this" or "Shut up - Harris has this". None of them ever had this. They didn't have a clue what they were up against.

The only Democrat I see taking any effective action is Bernie, and he's not even a Democrat. When a Democrat like AOC stands up, the Dem establishment kicks her down to a position where she has the smallest possible voice. When a person like Hogg stands up, the party establishment boots him out in favor of people whose only contribution to the party is getting drunk every 4 years wearing stupid hats at a meaningless, anachronistic convention.

So I am sorry, I do not accept the blame for how we got here, and I really have no interest in hearing any more of the tepid, careful, ambiguous statements from politicians who never did anything to try to PREVENT our slide to this point.

You say that everybody here has a different idea about messaging. Maybe that is true. But who is the Party leader? And what is the Party plan? I can't support somebody who has no plan. I realize most of the above is a rant that you probably didn't need to hear, so feel free to ignore all of that. But if somebody would like to answer those last two questions, I would be in their debt. (Who is the leader and what is their plan?)

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We're already past the beginning of the Nazi/Holocaust, we're already several stages in. [View all] Swede Jul 2 OP

People say we're in 1933 Germany. Initech Jul 2 #1

Exactly. In 2018 I said it was 1933 Germany. n/t OneGrassRoot Jul 2 #15

Same here Cosmocat Jul 3 #26

Now it feels like we're in 1940 Germany and he's about to do something catastrophic. Initech Jul 3 #32

Some sort of attack, protest, real or false ... MiHale Jul 3 #56

Midterms will not be cancelled TnDem Jul 6 #91

Let's get bdamomma Jul 3 #57

Personally I was telling people were were Germany 1933 8 years ago Cosmocat Jul 3 #25

8 years from 1933 1941. The year before the Wansea Conference and the Final Solution. hedda_foil Jul 3 #47

In June he said he wanted more camps. Dixiegrrrl Jul 3 #34

So true. And it's not gonna stop with undocumented migrants or documented immigrants. wnylib Jul 3 #59

I don't want to be a passive witness Easterncedar Jul 2 #2

I am hoping for bdamomma Jul 3 #62

No. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2 #3

Explain, please. Simply denying facts does not negate them. niyad Jul 2 #10

No explanation needed. Simply repeating false claims does not make them facts. Oopsie Daisy Jul 3 #18

Denial is not a river in Egypt. But keep telling yourself whatever lets niyad Jul 3 #19

Where are the gas chambers and cremation ovens and mass graves? Oopsie Daisy Jul 3 #22

They're coming. Swede Jul 3 #23

Nope. Oopsie Daisy Jul 3 #29

Sorry, DENVERPOPS Jul 3 #35

Who? TnDem Jul 6 #92

Not really sure DENVERPOPS Jul 6 #94

The deaths don't have to happen the same way MadameButterfly Jul 3 #30

EXACTLY! cornball 24 Jul 3 #37

False, it didn't ***START*** that way ... you know this or should seeing you're arguing the point uponit7771 Jul 3 #42

They did not come until 1942, but preparations were made in the years preceding. hedda_foil Jul 3 #48

The great effort given to splitting hairs reveals the weakness of these claims, and lets me know that I'm correct. Oopsie Daisy Jul 3 #50

No, you're not correct the OP has beginning and stages in it while you're arguing against that point with Nazi end ... uponit7771 Jul 3 #51

Hyper parsing words in that way, again, reveals the weakness in the arguments being made. Oopsie Daisy Jul 3 #53

That's not hyper parsing, the OP was clear; "beginning ... " end point Nazi was some other level shit but they started . uponit7771 Jul 3 #58

I've made my point. I'm done with you. Oopsie Daisy Jul 3 #61

So the fact that it is their intent but isn't there yet is the hair you want to split? Pacifist Patriot Jul 3 #67

Calling things what they are not solves nothing. This solves nothing. It changes nothing. Oopsie Daisy Jul 3 #68

First of all, it is *literally* a concentration camp as per the dictionary definition. Girard442 Jul 3 #54

It is LITERALLY not a concentration camp in the way that it's being compared to Nazi Concentration Camps * Oopsie Daisy Jul 3 #60

So, when many people confined in Alligator Alcatraz die after a hurricane... Girard442 Jul 3 #63

Any loss of life is tragic, if such a thing happens. But you're conflating two completely different things. Oopsie Daisy Jul 3 #70

You are aware that Auschwitz was primarily a concentration camp, and a labor camp, right? Ms. Toad Jul 5 #78

This is not the holocaust nor is the the beginning of the holocaust. Oopsie Daisy Jul 5 #79

If we ignore the similarities to the past, we are doomed to repeat it. Ms. Toad Jul 6 #81

TLDR Oopsie Daisy Jul 6 #82

Kinda like the US response to Hitler, before he murdered millions. Not my problem. Don't bother me about it. Ms. Toad Jul 6 #83

Thank you. My thoughts exactly Bluestocking Jul 5 #80

Sorry, but you know just enough to be dangerous TnDem Jul 6 #93

Just a question... lonely bird Jul 3 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author krkaufman Jul 3 #24

OKay atreides1 Jul 3 #31

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Cheaper to feed people to alligators than build ovens - TBF Jul 3 #38

ICE spending enid602 Jul 3 #55

Am I understanding you correctly, and you will not accept that we're on this path until we've reached the finish line? Pacifist Patriot Jul 3 #45

Well, be gobsmacked then. People can call them "concentration camps" all they want to but that doesn't make it true. Oopsie Daisy Jul 3 #49

Okay, let me be perfectly clear. This is not hyperbole. It's a fucking death camp. Pacifist Patriot Jul 3 #65

Oh, it's not a matter of my misunderstanding you. You've been perfectly clear, all right. Oopsie Daisy Jul 3 #66

An expert on concentration camps disagrees with you. Andrea Pitzer, niyad Jul 5 #74

As it's being used here, the words "concentration camp" are meant to be a direct comparison to * Oopsie Daisy Jul 5 #75

Just stop already. Your posted insistence on this horror being anything niyad Jul 5 #76

I've done no such thing. I've repeatedly acknowledged that it's a horrible situation. But * Oopsie Daisy Jul 5 #77

When that happens, it will be far too late. Stop ignoring the warning signs that are everywhere. W_HAMILTON Jul 6 #84

Technically? Yes uponit7771 Jul 3 #41

Those calling this the beginning B.See Jul 2 #4

Agree - TBF Jul 3 #39

This is true! tblue37 Jul 2 #5

THIS IS WRONG!!!!! BurnDoubt Jul 2 #6

MEANING??? niyad Jul 2 #11

Sorry--- Not a dispute. Entire Administration policies ARE WRONG!!!!! BurnDoubt Jul 2 #16

Thank you for clarifying. niyad Jul 2 #17

We're proper cooked either way, right now we're arguing Nazi or Nazi light with one too many DUrs uponit7771 Jul 3 #43

So Horrifically True. Cha Jul 2 #7

I have read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" four times, once about every 12-15 years. SharonAnn Jul 2 #8

Monumental historic account.. Permanut Jul 2 #9

Albert Spear's Inside the Third Reich is also good JCMach1 Jul 2 #12

He's also fucking stupid. Which is unfortunately a plus here, and only here. This country glorifies and celebrates Karasu Jul 2 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author krkaufman Jul 3 #28

Don't leave out the 6 christo-fascist pigs on the SC and some of their spouses who are equally piggy wolfie001 Jul 2 #14

He just said that natural born citizens are next Javaman Jul 3 #20

The water's getting hot and the frog ain't going anywhere. Torchlight Jul 3 #27

Was Jan6 kkmarie Jul 3 #33

Yes, Hitler served more time than Trump and didn't have 1 billionaire bankrolling 33% of his campaign. uponit7771 Jul 3 #44

I am scared LetMyPeopleVote Jul 3 #40

Temporary... Fl_life Jul 3 #46

When do we get to the part C_U_L8R Jul 3 #52

Absolutely. Most elected Dems are still at the " Gee, I don't like where this might end up" phase Bluetus Jul 3 #64

The scariest part to me... Pacifist Patriot Jul 4 #71

Probably a good time to remind ourselves of Pastor Martin Niemller Bluetus Jul 4 #72

Yes to both sentiments. Pacifist Patriot Jul 4 #73

Spend more time going after the MAGA Republicans responsible for this and less time attacking Democrats... W_HAMILTON Jul 6 #85

We cannot change the Republicans. We much overpower them. Bluetus Jul 6 #87

Stop blaming Democrats for the failures of the voters. W_HAMILTON Jul 6 #88

Excuse me, I am 70 and there hasn't been a single election when I had any input Bluetus Jul 6 #89

BTW, here is an example of a leader and a plan Bluetus Jul 6 #90

Effective action, my ass. W_HAMILTON Jul 7 #95

2 points Bluetus Jul 7 #96

Two points right back: W_HAMILTON Jul 7 #97

You are making my point Bluetus Jul 7 #98

THIS !!! 1 too many are thinking political power IMHO vs we're going where we can't get out even with elections uponit7771 Jul 6 #86

K&R! William769 Jul 3 #69