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LeftInTX

(32,898 posts)
4. The area is full of hills. You walk toward the top of a hill.
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 05:34 PM
Jul 7

Usually an uphill walk of several hundred feet will get you out of the floodplain. You don't drive. In one case, a family had water up to their necks and all they had to go was go across the street. These are flash floods, not hurricane floods.

I feel like the area became complacent. It used to flood frequently, but the last two decades have been plagued with droughts and people forgot. A woman who owns an RV park got everyone to safety except one family. RV parks where the owners weren't present had poorer outcomes.

There were camps where they were actively monitoring the weather and they had much better outcomes.

I don't know what happened at Camp Mystic. Mystic also has cabins which are also pretty much on water's edge. I don't see that at other camps. There is often a 100 ft setback.

Camp Mystic has a "hill top"

Patrons may not understand flash flood safety. I do know that trying to drive out of a flash flood is very dangerous. Driving is what killed 10 girls in 1987. If they had remained at the camp, they probably would not have died. Most camps have high ground areas.

Yes, this flood was catastrophic, but something was "off" about how all of this was managed and contributed to the tremendous number of deaths. The last big flood on the Guadalupe was in 2002. People were going door to door. My son worked at a camp. . Nowadays, people check into an AirBnB which is owned by someone who lives in another town. In 1998, we stayed at a cottage next to a house, where the owner lived.

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Have you seen this? ... marble falls Jul 7 #1
Doesn't look right. carpetbagger Jul 8 #26
I've heard from friends that there was a river running right down the main drag. ... marble falls Jul 8 #31
The 38 minute video is worth seeing Renew Deal Jul 7 #2
I grew up in a flood plain near the coast in Texas...we kept a boat under the house. pecosbob Jul 7 #3
That happened in Iowa when I was in Marion. Just north of Cenrter City was an area that haden't flooded ... marble falls Jul 8 #32
The area is full of hills. You walk toward the top of a hill. LeftInTX Jul 7 #4
All great points misanthrope Jul 7 #6
" These are flash floods, not hurricane floods" obamanut2012 Jul 7 #8
Very informative malaise Jul 7 #14
Not to mention humbling - and terrifying! calimary Jul 7 #21
Agree malaise Jul 8 #30
I guess I don't understand. LudwigPastorius Jul 7 #24
You walk before high water approaches. LeftInTX Jul 8 #25
Bingo. If it's up to your ankles and running, you are in danger. marble falls Jul 8 #33
Once camping at Turner Falls, OK a Parker ranger told us to pack up MagickMuffin Jul 7 #5
Here's a 38 minute video from the beginning of the surge to the cresting of the bridge MagickMuffin Jul 7 #7
Wow, that is exactly what it looked like when tsunamis hit Japan BigmanPigman Jul 7 #10
I watched it..in horror, actually. I bookmarked it as it was the most stunning, tragic thing Ive seen. Deuxcents Jul 8 #27
When the water is high, its also fast. milestogo Jul 7 #9
Months and months of drought made everything much worse. Paladin Jul 7 #11
Decades of drought made everyone forget what to do during a flash flood! LeftInTX Jul 7 #13
Same thing happened here with Hurricane Gilbert in 1988 malaise Jul 7 #18
No offence - I do not want to be in Jamaica in a C-3 storm event. You are most welcome to come up north ... marble falls Jul 8 #34
Thanks my friend malaise Jul 8 #35
There is that, TOO. calimary Jul 7 #22
No. Ms. Toad Jul 7 #12
If they were aware of them misanthrope Jul 7 #15
That is the responsibility of the camp and/or local goverment. Ms. Toad Jul 7 #16
It wasn't my aim to "shift" anything misanthrope Jul 7 #19
I was just responding to your assertion that the only way Ms. Toad Jul 7 #20
I grew up in a place with tornadoes as well misanthrope Jul 8 #29
We had drills about twice a year. Ms. Toad Jul 8 #38
A lot of the reason I remembered misanthrope Jul 8 #39
Both away from shrapnel, and against the strongest walls in the building. Ms. Toad Jul 8 #40
Our warnings in Burnet came more than an hour before the first crossing, they set up a high water shelter ... marble falls Jul 8 #37
Exactly. There was no warning sent. Here in Marble Falls, we get warnings from both the city and the county, ... marble falls Jul 8 #36
It seems like the camp had no plan Buckeyeblue Jul 7 #17
It happened at 4:45AM. That area of the valley is a gentle slope to the riverbed Melon Jul 7 #23
You can check the river gauge here electricmonk Jul 8 #28
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