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Ms. Toad

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16. That is the responsibility of the camp and/or local goverment.

Mon Jul 7, 2025, 07:57 PM

Jul 7

You assumed the first warning came after the flash flood began. It didn't. The warnings increased during the prior day, and a get to higher ground/evacuation notice was made just after midnight - giving them ample time to move to higher ground had they had proper safety precautions in place.

A facility with 700 campers and dormitories on the banks of a river known for flash floods has a responsibility to make sure it is attentive to the danger (just as they should have lifeguards on hand if they allow swimming, emergency contact numbers for parents, etc.) It's just basic safety. Especially when the campers are not allowed any means of communication with the outside world.

The local county government and the camp, together, should have plans for notification and evacuation when the camp is in the flood plain of a river known for flash floods.

"If they were aware of them" shifts responsibility for the safety of a camp in the flood plain away from those who are most responsible for ensuring it to a hope they accidentally found out about weather warnings

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Scary info from a USGS gauge on the Guadalupe River [View all] misanthrope Jul 7 OP

Have you seen this? ... marble falls Jul 7 #1

Doesn't look right. carpetbagger Jul 8 #26

I've heard from friends that there was a river running right down the main drag. ... marble falls Jul 8 #31

The 38 minute video is worth seeing Renew Deal Jul 7 #2

I grew up in a flood plain near the coast in Texas...we kept a boat under the house. pecosbob Jul 7 #3

That happened in Iowa when I was in Marion. Just north of Cenrter City was an area that haden't flooded ... marble falls Jul 8 #32

The area is full of hills. You walk toward the top of a hill. LeftInTX Jul 7 #4

All great points misanthrope Jul 7 #6

" These are flash floods, not hurricane floods" obamanut2012 Jul 7 #8

Very informative malaise Jul 7 #14

Not to mention humbling - and terrifying! calimary Jul 7 #21

Agree malaise Jul 8 #30

I guess I don't understand. LudwigPastorius Jul 7 #24

You walk before high water approaches. LeftInTX Jul 8 #25

Bingo. If it's up to your ankles and running, you are in danger. marble falls Jul 8 #33

Once camping at Turner Falls, OK a Parker ranger told us to pack up MagickMuffin Jul 7 #5

Here's a 38 minute video from the beginning of the surge to the cresting of the bridge MagickMuffin Jul 7 #7

Wow, that is exactly what it looked like when tsunamis hit Japan BigmanPigman Jul 7 #10

I watched it..in horror, actually. I bookmarked it as it was the most stunning, tragic thing Ive seen. Deuxcents Jul 8 #27

When the water is high, its also fast. milestogo Jul 7 #9

Months and months of drought made everything much worse. Paladin Jul 7 #11

Decades of drought made everyone forget what to do during a flash flood! LeftInTX Jul 7 #13

Same thing happened here with Hurricane Gilbert in 1988 malaise Jul 7 #18

No offence - I do not want to be in Jamaica in a C-3 storm event. You are most welcome to come up north ... marble falls Jul 8 #34

Thanks my friend malaise Jul 8 #35

There is that, TOO. calimary Jul 7 #22

No. Ms. Toad Jul 7 #12

If they were aware of them misanthrope Jul 7 #15

That is the responsibility of the camp and/or local goverment. Ms. Toad Jul 7 #16

It wasn't my aim to "shift" anything misanthrope Jul 7 #19

I was just responding to your assertion that the only way Ms. Toad Jul 7 #20

I grew up in a place with tornadoes as well misanthrope Jul 8 #29

We had drills about twice a year. Ms. Toad Jul 8 #38

A lot of the reason I remembered misanthrope Jul 8 #39

Both away from shrapnel, and against the strongest walls in the building. Ms. Toad Jul 8 #40

Our warnings in Burnet came more than an hour before the first crossing, they set up a high water shelter ... marble falls Jul 8 #37

Exactly. There was no warning sent. Here in Marble Falls, we get warnings from both the city and the county, ... marble falls Jul 8 #36

It seems like the camp had no plan Buckeyeblue Jul 7 #17

It happened at 4:45AM. That area of the valley is a gentle slope to the riverbed Melon Jul 7 #23

You can check the river gauge here electricmonk Jul 8 #28