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waterwatcher123

(388 posts)
39. Thanks for the nice pictures, imagery and explanations (appreciate it).
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 04:45 PM
Jul 9

You know the soil characteristics and tree canopy of the area better than anyone looking at imagery. However, there were some areas where the tree canopy abruptly ends at right angles, which makes it appear cleared. How do local authorities and landowners suppress wildfire without cutting the vegetation? It must be incredibly hard to fight fires in this rugged and dry terrain (does not appear like there many available surface water sources to fight fires other than the Guadalupe itself).

Is it the porous limestone and high rates of evaporation that account for the extremely dry landscape? I looked at a few maps of average annual precipitation for Texas. Austin and San Antonio averaged around 30-33 inches per year (which is enough to support trees elsewhere). Does the upper Guadalupe River have a similar precipitation regime? If so, it must be something other than precipitation that is the limiting factor for trees.

Camp Mystic did look like it was situated right on a fluvial feature. It is too bad that FEMA does not re-assess these grandfathered in properties built in floodplains. A cabin is not really a temporary structure even though it might be occupied intermittently. I tried to find the zoning code for the county on their website. But it sounds like the county does not do enforce zoning codes outside of incorporated areas. They must have some code requirements otherwise it would be impossible to enforce the floodplain requirements (maybe in building permits?). The county could have easily required these at-risk properties to install their own warning systems if they wanted to error on the side of caution. A simple float switch tethered to a post near the riverbank could trigger a warning siren and lights (no guarantee it would have saved everyone - but at least there would have been a greater chance).

Again, thanks for your patience in explaining what is so unique about this river system. The upper Gaudalupe River is obviously a highly valued recreational resource (otherwise it would not have so many camps and campers). It was alignment of circumstances that led to this regrettable outcome (huge storm event, middle of the night, lots of people in flood prone areas, 4th of July holiday). Hopefully, there will be some lessons learned that be applied to prevent a repeat scenario. Maybe the Guadalupe River Authority can start to be more active in trying to encourage changes in floodplain management and encourage efforts to infiltrate and keep water on the land. It is nice to hear beavers are playing a role too. It took this country years to recognize how important they are to watershed management and stream ecology (the Europeans and their beaver hats were a big part of the problem).

I wish you and your neighbors the best as you recover from this tragedy that claimed so many lives and altered a natural resource you clearly value.

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"because some local officials felt it was too expensive to install" DBoon Jul 8 #1
They will discover how expensive it is with all the lawsuits that will be filed. mwmisses4289 Jul 8 #13
Might not Old Crank Jul 8 #24
The following is from Wikipedia regarding the phrase "Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face." John1956PA Jul 8 #22
it should say barbtries Jul 8 #23
Many/most small Texas towns have an alarm system used by the fire department to warm of tornadoes. efhmc Jul 8 #2
Not in this part of Texas. LeftInTX Jul 8 #14
Austin does not have them either. pinkstarburst Jul 8 #17
I'm not saying I have $10k floating around to buy one but... cadoman Jul 8 #21
More involved than the cost of a siren. Old Crank Jul 8 #25
I'm not saying it's $0, but I think this gives us a scale of the cost we're talking here cadoman Jul 8 #27
Most of the cities around here do not have them pinkstarburst Jul 8 #29
The Texas Hill Country's Balcones Fault line makes tornados rare and usually cause limited damage. summer_in_TX Jul 9 #36
Austin does not have sirens pinkstarburst Jul 8 #16
Air raid siren. efhmc Jul 8 #32
1,800 people in our small borough, gab13by13 Jul 8 #3
They have them in Tsunami zones and the Hill Country has more flash floods. The cost can't be too prohibitive. surfered Jul 8 #4
Yes I know Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 8 #6
They also have lahar warning sirens here in the Mt. Rainier river valleys Trailrider1951 Jul 8 #11
exactly gopiscrap Jul 8 #20
K&R spanone Jul 8 #5
Re short-sighted, selfish people who don't want to pay taxes for what communities need: Attilatheblond Jul 8 #7
Even TX Lt. Gov. gets it. Now. moondust Jul 8 #8
te same kind of siren that every town had whem we were ducking and covering under our desks rampartd Jul 8 #9
Where I grew up they tested air raid sirens every Saturday at noon. No matter where you were you could hear them. flashman13 Jul 8 #19
Wow - how much would it cost to install a few sirens and perhaps warning lights? waterwatcher123 Jul 8 #10
What? There aren't "forests" on the Edward's Plateau. It's a "savanna" LeftInTX Jul 8 #15
The imagery certainly makes it look like lots of the upland areas have been cleared. waterwatcher123 Jul 8 #35
No. Upland areas have never been cleared. As a matter of fact, trees have increased due to human settlement. LeftInTX Jul 9 #37
Thanks for the nice pictures, imagery and explanations (appreciate it). waterwatcher123 Jul 9 #39
Flood alarms are for fancy book learnin' librul smarty pants. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 8 #12
A warning siren in a flood plain town? Gimpyknee Jul 8 #18
Not the good idea you think it is. Jirel Jul 8 #33
My small town has several sirens, and they get tested once a month at 10 a.m. on a Saturday morning. Sogo Jul 8 #26
Ours are tested Littlered Jul 8 #28
What a ridiculous article. Jirel Jul 8 #30
You know what's prohibitive to me? The cost of losing a loved one. Buddyzbuddy Jul 8 #31
A siren/water depth gauge systm on the river bank is not that expensive. The governor and Sen. Cruz... brush Jul 8 #34
Sirens might help to a degree pinkstarburst Jul 9 #38
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