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Mosby

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Fri Oct 10, 2025, 01:36 PM Friday

Economists were wrong about tariffs. They need to figure out why. [View all]

Inflation would surge. Supply chains would crash. And the economy would be plunged into a deep recession while the stock market tanked. When President Donald Trump imposed huge tariffs on imports in April, the mainstream economic establishment and the big forecasters on Wall Street were virtually united on one point: The tariffs would trigger stagflation, at best, and a deep slump, at worst. It sounded like life would resemble a post-apocalypse Netflix series, with survivors dodging zombies and fighting one another for the last few items at the mall.

Goldman Sachs put the odds of a full-blown recession at 45 percent. Torsten Slok of private equity firm Apollo, one of the most respected economists on Wall Street, went a lot further, predicting that the odds of what he termed a “voluntary trade reset recession” were 90 percent. Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman argued that “the biggest trade shock in history” meant “a recession seems likely.”

And yet, six months on, events have not unfolded that way. The big thinkers got this one wrong — and if economics is to maintain any credibility, they need to address why that happened.

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Finally, it is starting to look as if the United States actually was getting a raw deal on trade. The U.S. now imposes an average tariff of 18.6 percent, the highest since 1933, according to Yale’s Budget Lab. And yet prices are rising by only about 3 percent. It turns out the foreign exporters were making enough money from American consumers that they can absorb most of the new tariffs, either in lower profits or through efficiency savings. They are not being paid by American consumers the way that was predicted. The extra $30 billion a month in revenue the tariffs are already generating is not exactly “free money” (after all, the most enduring lesson of this dismal science is that there is no such thing as a lunch you don’t have to pay for). But it’s as close to it as anything we have seen for a long time.

Washington Post

What economists and the legacy media failed to consider was the enormous profit margins that manufacturers make on their products, and the role elasticity of demand has on pricing.

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Two reasons: 1) Staggered changing tariffs smeared the effect. 2) Massive uncertainty. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Friday #1
This is a very pro-Trump column. yardwork Friday #2
Looking thru a partisan lens it might be. Mosby Friday #4
I don't see any evidence of hysteria on the part of economists. yardwork Friday #8
This article is poorly written propaganda. Dawson Leery Friday #5
Matthew Lynn is a financial columnist and author. He writes for the Daily Telegraph and the Spectator in London. Celerity Friday #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Friday #40
JFC Skittles Friday #39
Read on! yardwork Friday #41
*SNORT* Skittles Friday #44
Way too early to celebrate being wrong. Savings KPN Friday #3
It's darker than cheerleading. yardwork Friday #12
Post removed Post removed Friday #14
Who is Lawrence? yardwork Friday #16
O'Donnell. Mosby Friday #19
Lawrence O'Donnell is not an economist. yardwork Friday #20
He has a degree in economics from Harvard. Mosby Friday #22
He has a bachelor's degree in economics. I have one too. Neither one of us is an economist. PeaceWave Friday #24
lol. I have an undergraduate degree in history but I am not a historian. yardwork Friday #26
'Liberation Day' in retrospect: 6 things that surprised investors Mosby Friday #13
The stock market isn't the economy for the average KPN Friday #49
I don't think FAFO sentiment is the same as "celebrating" Skittles Friday #45
With all due respect, this feels like Republican propaganda. By all accounts, tariffs are punishing U.S. farmers. PeaceWave Friday #6
WaPo is running a lot of Trump propaganda these days. yardwork Friday #9
because it is, see post 15 Celerity Friday #18
The rich can ride some of the effects out.................... Lovie777 Friday #7
So foreign manufacturers are lowering their prices? Bmoboy Friday #10
Bullshit edhopper Friday #11
We're still very early in the game. Wednesdays Friday #17
This is BS because he backed off a lot of tariffs, or lowered them drastically. OrlandoDem2 Friday #21
I am pretty sure this story is slanted in more than one way BootinUp Friday #23
This is an opinion piece written by a conservative writer who backed brexit and who gives TSF lots wiggs Friday #25
The US economy was so strong it withstood a huge major grifting operation by Trump. Irish_Dem Friday #27
This is the guy who predicted in a 2007 Bloomberg article that the iPhone would be a flop. Ocelot II Friday #28
the article Celerity Friday #52
Thanks! Ocelot II Friday #53
yw Celerity Friday #54
Supply chains and pricing has not fully adjusted yet. bucolic_frolic Friday #29
Post removed Post removed Friday #30
I didn't alert but this column really is nothing but right wing talking points. yardwork Friday #34
They haven't been fully implemented, and temporarily companies have been lostincalifornia Friday #31
The Gatekeepers have arrived. Kingofalldems Friday #32
Krugman had a post about this today Krazy_Kat Friday #33
It's a tired canard to suggest that "companies are absorbing costs." PeaceWave Friday #37
He makes some good points. Mosby Friday #38
Let's See What Shareholders Say DallasNE Friday #56
This column is what is sometimes referred to as an "absolute pant load". BannonsLiver Friday #35
The comments from WaPo readers concur. yardwork Friday #36
Stagflation DallasNE Friday #42
Why are we allowing right wing bullshit like this to be posted here? I thought it was against the rules. Wiz Imp Friday #43
Same here. Kingofalldems Friday #46
Wrong about WHICH tariffs? DFW Friday #47
DOW -750 NASDAQ -695 S&P -155 Emile Friday #48
For those who thought that the author of this article was full of shit, but weren't sure, this should clinch it. Wiz Imp Friday #50
WAPO OP/ED page is a hard R now obamanut2012 Friday #51
Trump DELAYED most of the tariffs, so there is no 6months in blm Friday #55
Thank you for the having the courage to post this - at the risk of being flamed, I'm not surprised at all by this. Midwestern Democrat Friday #57
You could read Krugman and learn a few things. BootinUp Friday #59
There seems to be an agenda here Keepthesoulalive Friday #58
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