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meadowlander

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39. Autism is within the range of normal human variation and has always been with us.
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 01:46 PM
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As you note, many famous people - particularly scientists, would clearly have been diagnosed as autistic if they were born today. And many autistic people have made contributions to civilisation that went unnoticed because, in general, autistic people are loathe to take credit for things on the basis that any attention is bad attention. But I'm sure many ancient artists, weavers, food science and culinary experimenters, astronomers, priests, etc. would have been autistic.

We can also see evidence that autism has always been with us with the stories of changeling children, child demonic possession, hermits and witches.

Having said that, I do think autism is currently having a moment and that many of the challenges of the next stages of technology (computer science, AI, climate engineering, biomedical research, etc.) will benefit massively from contributions from autistic people as we rely more and more or our intellects for our survival. And because computers have largely been invented by autistic people (see Charles Babbage and Alan Turing both of whom should probably be on your list) in some ways they work in a way/speak a language that autistic people have an advantage in understanding.

I agree that selecting autism out of the gene pool or otherwise "curing" it would be a self-defeating tragedy. But I also don't see a future where everyone is autistic. Our resilience comes from our variation.

For all the people eager to jump up and say "autistic people are assholes too!" Yes, obviously a certain percentage of people in every group is composed of assholes. But I think you also need to look at that in the context of the extreme prejudice and bullying that autistic people face (and the more insidious but equally damaging social pressure to not be or at least not appear to be autistic) which leave many of them feeling embittering and antisocial.

Who knows where we would be at now if Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg had been able to get laid in high school because being really smart and into computers was considered an attractive trait instead of something to pick on people for. Maybe they would still be awful, and maybe not. I say we give that kind of world a try though, test the evidence, and find out.

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I didn't know that about patterns. murielm99 Saturday #1
To offer a counter example thomski64 Saturday #2
Yes, he came to mind. It may not always be positive but there are plenty of traditionally thinking people who are Quixote1818 Saturday #3
Trump is an "NT" paleotn Saturday #6
Eloon's brain is mush Alice Kramden Saturday #28
I believe it's probably a genetic mutation (in the scientifically neutral sense) that exhibits naturally AZJonnie Saturday #4
Agreed. That's the thing about genes. They're not static. paleotn Saturday #9
Yup, and there's not just mutations, there are also gene expressions AZJonnie Saturday #12
I like your train of thought. erronis Saturday #32
Good ol epigenetics nt mr715 Sunday #42
Humanity did not start with humans. cachukis Saturday #16
Very much true!!! AZJonnie Saturday #22
The thinkers know. cachukis Saturday #24
My Son The Astronomer is on the spectrum. PoindexterOglethorpe Saturday #5
Thanks for sharing, my grandson has Tree Lady Saturday #36
That's not how evolution works SamuelTheThird Saturday #7
You're right, classical evolutionary theory does focus on traits that improve individual reproductive success. However Quixote1818 Saturday #10
They implied there was a sudden increase in autism due to technology SamuelTheThird Saturday #20
It has showed up. Regardless. cachukis Saturday #17
But not as an adaption to extremely new technologies SamuelTheThird Saturday #21
Too early to judge in my mind. cachukis Saturday #23
Either an individual benefit trait or a community survival component. haele Saturday #34
Reed College, Portland OR; PoindexterOglethorpe Sunday #38
No. People who are on the spectrum are still Homo sapiens. sakabatou Saturday #8
You sure about that? paleotn Saturday #11
"Yet we could still interbreed" sakabatou Saturday #14
Severe autism is pretty awful. milestogo Saturday #13
Mild to Moderate is no picnic either. Rhiagel Saturday #33
Civilization is where it is now because of people who "cover their ears and stim". meadowlander Sunday #40
Oh, hell no. hunter Saturday #15
This is hyperbolic and unhelpful. meadowlander Sunday #41
Autism is not some delightful "quirk." Often it's painful. hunter Sunday #45
Astrid. French with subtitles. Great study of the subject. cachukis Saturday #18
I believe it is. Faux pas Saturday #19
It's not ESP, it's pattern recognition... hunter Saturday #27
Actually, it is ESP. Check out The Telepathy Tapes for more info. TheRickles Saturday #29
I've had paranormal experiences. I've had telepathic experiences. hunter Sunday #48
Both can be true. Sometimes it's this, and sometimes it's that. TheRickles Yesterday #49
There are some genuinely terrible autistic people biocube Saturday #25
We seem to be evolving towards extinction Bmoboy Saturday #26
❤️ littlemissmartypants Saturday #30
Thank you Wild blueberry Saturday #31
I'm no expert, but... Morbius Saturday #35
Stop the testing! JoseBalow Sunday #47
ASD has a bimodal IQ distribution Mosby Saturday #37
ASD can be comorbid with intellectual disability, epilepsy, etc. meadowlander Sunday #43
Autism is within the range of normal human variation and has always been with us. meadowlander Sunday #39
I live with my nephew who has severe autism. Iggo Sunday #44
I don't know if autism is genetic edhopper Sunday #46
I just got goose bumps Karma13612 Yesterday #50
It's genetic capacity with environmental triggers bucolic_frolic Yesterday #51
Discussion is missing the obvious. For it to be evolutionary, there have to be children Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #52
Evolution is "adaption", not necessarily improvement. RoeVWade Yesterday #53
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