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meadowlander

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43. ASD can be comorbid with intellectual disability, epilepsy, etc.
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 02:21 PM
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I don't think the science is there yet that it's autism that "causes" either high or low IQ. Autism is a spectrum of neurological traits like attention to detail, ability to hyperfocus, intense special interests, strong pattern recognition, etc. some of which may be beneficial on traditional IQ tests and some of which may be detrimental. We may at some future date be able to untether autism from comorbid conditions that create poor quality of life for some autistic people without "curing" autism.

Autistic people tend to have spikey profiles - amazing at things they have invested their focused attention on and shockingly crap at things they haven't. Like Sherlock Holmes being able to identify what street a particularly type of mud comes from but not knowing that the earth revolves around the sun because it wasn't relevant to his interests. So depending on what the test is testing they may score well or poorly.

What makes a "good mutation"? It can be one that benefits the species as a whole rather than the individual which clearly having a certain percentage of people fascinated by breeding the best kind of wheat or figuring out how to make calendars or knocking different types of rocks together until they found a convenient and predictable way to make fire, or testing foods until they figured out which ones were poisonous or not.

Autistic people are also disproportionately queer and there's a theory that having queer people in a social group is an evolutionary advantage because having some people not burdened by childcare but focused on tasks that benefit the colony as a whole, provides advantages to those social groups.

I think a lot of the priests and priestesses, monks and nuns that transcribed and illuminated ancient texts were actually autistic and that that effort helped to preserve a lot of information that would otherwise have been lost. If you have sensory issues and are asexual (which again, a disproportionate number of autistic people are) then living in a quiet monastery and devoting yourself to copying texts sounds pretty fab.

So you're welcome Western Civilisation.

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I didn't know that about patterns. murielm99 Saturday #1
To offer a counter example thomski64 Saturday #2
Yes, he came to mind. It may not always be positive but there are plenty of traditionally thinking people who are Quixote1818 Saturday #3
Trump is an "NT" paleotn Saturday #6
Eloon's brain is mush Alice Kramden Saturday #28
I believe it's probably a genetic mutation (in the scientifically neutral sense) that exhibits naturally AZJonnie Saturday #4
Agreed. That's the thing about genes. They're not static. paleotn Saturday #9
Yup, and there's not just mutations, there are also gene expressions AZJonnie Saturday #12
I like your train of thought. erronis Saturday #32
Good ol epigenetics nt mr715 Sunday #42
Humanity did not start with humans. cachukis Saturday #16
Very much true!!! AZJonnie Saturday #22
The thinkers know. cachukis Saturday #24
My Son The Astronomer is on the spectrum. PoindexterOglethorpe Saturday #5
Thanks for sharing, my grandson has Tree Lady Saturday #36
That's not how evolution works SamuelTheThird Saturday #7
You're right, classical evolutionary theory does focus on traits that improve individual reproductive success. However Quixote1818 Saturday #10
They implied there was a sudden increase in autism due to technology SamuelTheThird Saturday #20
It has showed up. Regardless. cachukis Saturday #17
But not as an adaption to extremely new technologies SamuelTheThird Saturday #21
Too early to judge in my mind. cachukis Saturday #23
Either an individual benefit trait or a community survival component. haele Saturday #34
Reed College, Portland OR; PoindexterOglethorpe Sunday #38
No. People who are on the spectrum are still Homo sapiens. sakabatou Saturday #8
You sure about that? paleotn Saturday #11
"Yet we could still interbreed" sakabatou Saturday #14
Severe autism is pretty awful. milestogo Saturday #13
Mild to Moderate is no picnic either. Rhiagel Saturday #33
Civilization is where it is now because of people who "cover their ears and stim". meadowlander Sunday #40
Oh, hell no. hunter Saturday #15
This is hyperbolic and unhelpful. meadowlander Sunday #41
Autism is not some delightful "quirk." Often it's painful. hunter Sunday #45
Astrid. French with subtitles. Great study of the subject. cachukis Saturday #18
I believe it is. Faux pas Saturday #19
It's not ESP, it's pattern recognition... hunter Saturday #27
Actually, it is ESP. Check out The Telepathy Tapes for more info. TheRickles Saturday #29
I've had paranormal experiences. I've had telepathic experiences. hunter Sunday #48
Both can be true. Sometimes it's this, and sometimes it's that. TheRickles Yesterday #49
There are some genuinely terrible autistic people biocube Saturday #25
We seem to be evolving towards extinction Bmoboy Saturday #26
❤️ littlemissmartypants Saturday #30
Thank you Wild blueberry Saturday #31
I'm no expert, but... Morbius Saturday #35
Stop the testing! JoseBalow Sunday #47
ASD has a bimodal IQ distribution Mosby Saturday #37
ASD can be comorbid with intellectual disability, epilepsy, etc. meadowlander Sunday #43
Autism is within the range of normal human variation and has always been with us. meadowlander Sunday #39
I live with my nephew who has severe autism. Iggo Sunday #44
I don't know if autism is genetic edhopper Sunday #46
I just got goose bumps Karma13612 Yesterday #50
It's genetic capacity with environmental triggers bucolic_frolic Yesterday #51
Discussion is missing the obvious. For it to be evolutionary, there have to be children Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #52
Evolution is "adaption", not necessarily improvement. RoeVWade Yesterday #53
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