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45. Do not rely on AI slop
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 05:15 PM
17 hrs ago

A review of the literature tells a different story
Shame coping and psychopathy:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047235221000659

For example
Indeed, the empirical evidence linking psychopathy and the experience of shame has been mixed,

1.1. Shame and psychopathy
Negative emotions, and shame in particular, are of great relevance for theory and clinical work in forensic psychology and criminal justice, as they have been linked – theoretically and empirically – with aggression and antisociality, including recidivism (Baumeister and Lobbestael, 2011; DeLisi and Vaughn, 2014; Garofalo and Velotti, 2017; Tangney et al., 2011a; Tangney et al., 2011b; Tangney et al., 2014). Shame is defined as a self-conscious emotion arising from an individual's perception that something indecorous, dishonorable, and essentially wrong characterizes the self (e.g., “I am a bad person”; see Tangney et al., 2007). From a developmental perspective, shame proneness has been connected with the early experience of abuse and neglect (Schimmenti, 2012), which in turn have been linked to psychopathic traits (Blonigen et al., 2012; Craparo et al., 2013; Dargis et al., 2015). In contrast to the long-standing belief that psychopathic individuals are devoid of emotions, accumulating empirical evidence suggests that psychopathic traits are in fact related with increased levels of some negative emotions (most notably, anger and contempt) as well as with reduced experience of positive emotions, such as happiness (Garofalo et al., 2019; Hoppenbrouwers et al., 2016; Kosson et al., 2016; Spantidaki Kyriazi et al., 2021).

With regard to shame, early accounts posited that psychopathy is characterized by attenuated experience of shame (Cleckley, 1941; McCord and McCord, 1964; Meloy, 1988; Millon, 1981). Cleckley (1941), for example, wrote that “Whether judged in the light of his conduct, of his attitude, or of material elicited in psychiatric examination, he shows almost no sense of shame” (p. 389). This assumption rested on indirect or anecdotal evidence, that is, on the basis of the callous, manipulative, and aggressive behavior that would be difficult to reconcile with the experience of shame. Yet, the previously cited literature that has accumulated linking shame and externalizing behavior broadly construed challenges this traditional view. While it is plausible that psychopathic individuals do not experience shame in response to their criminal or otherwise antisocial behavior (e.g., Mossière et al., 2020), extending this to assume that psychopathic individuals do not experience shame at all may not be warranted. Indeed, the empirical evidence linking psychopathy and the experience of shame has been mixed, with more consistent, positive associations between the behavioral (lifestyle and antisocial) traits of psychopathy and shame, and less consistent associations in different directions between the interpersonal and affective traits of psychopathy and shame (Lanciano and Curci, 2019; Lyons, 2015; Morrison and Gilbert, 2001; Spice et al., 2015).

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Trump does not get humiliated. [View all] speak easy Sunday OP
He's got "buttons." Everyone does. paleotn Sunday #1
"Laughing at him and treating him like he's a second rate" speak easy Sunday #2
Could rage be covering for humiliation? electric_blue68 Sunday #28
He is clearly not immune to humiliation. returnee Yesterday #36
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All the hyperbole is just too annoying so my revenge is no clicking on it ms liberty Sunday #4
But...but ALL CAPS! ALL CAPS!!! N/ T. Tom Dyer Sunday #7
He is incapable of shame or accepting blame. surfered Sunday #5
Hard core 3auld6phart Sunday #22
The click bait is out of control Cirsium Sunday #6
Makes you wonder if there is a kickback. Many have no summary or just list guests. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #11
Yes Cirsium Sunday #15
Trump does not GET humiliation,he GIVES humiliation. BattleRow Sunday #8
Well shit - calimary Sunday #9
... ancianita Sunday #10
Well, I guess it's because he IS humiliated, by his little ol' self, calimary Sunday #13
Wishful thinking Cirsium Sunday #16
I see. Yes, we see his public humiliation, but that doesn't mean HE feels it. One can be humiliated without ancianita Sunday #18
I agree with your assessment...and more... Escape Sunday #12
Quoted from the 1993 movie "Tombstone" AverageOldGuy Sunday #14
The act of publicly humiliating someone... Joinfortmill Sunday #17
Thank you for saying it, click bait headlines have become absolutely ridiculous Bev54 Sunday #19
Psychopathy and Dementia bmichaelh Sunday #20
Couldn't it be both ? Is embarrassed different from humiliation ? JI7 Sunday #21
One also has to has a conscience to be humiliated kimbutgar Sunday #23
Oh, he feels humiliated GenThePerservering Sunday #24
He felt humiliated at the White House correspondence dinner where Obama roasted him. iemanja Sunday #25
Agreed. True Dough Sunday #26
I don't think he was humiliated. llmart Sunday #30
Made a joke? True Dough Sunday #33
I can think of one time Maru Kitteh Sunday #27
Obama frosted him. He wasn't humiliated. pandr32 21 hrs ago #40
It is literally impossible to shame him. The Mouth Sunday #29
My (faint) hope is that seeing him humiliated GopherGal Sunday #31
Krasnov believes he is never wrong & therefore he AnotherMother4Peace Sunday #32
If tRump was a normal human being capable of feeling shame or embarrassment -- Grammy23 Sunday #34
Yeah. speak easy Sunday #35
Idiots don't understand humiliation. demosincebirth 21 hrs ago #37
You have to have normal human feelings to be humiliated. He has none. appleannie1 21 hrs ago #38
You hit this one out of the park. pandr32 21 hrs ago #39
Yes and nothing will happen to him until it does. themaguffin 21 hrs ago #41
A tantrum is a tantrum, regardless of its source. Torchlight 20 hrs ago #42
A trait he shares with almost all of his Cabinet of Curiosities, and the Dunning-Kruger Caucus in the House. nt eppur_se_muova 20 hrs ago #43
Psychopaths do feel shame -- but not "normal" shame pat_k 17 hrs ago #44
Do not rely on AI slop speak easy 17 hrs ago #45
I evaluated against my knowledge, which is admittedly from the 1990's pat_k 15 hrs ago #46
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