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muriel_volestrangler

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11. Agree a peace deal or US will walk away, Vance tells Ukraine and Russia
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 09:12 AM
Wednesday
US vice-president JD Vance warned Wednesday that Moscow and Kyiv must strike a deal or Washington will end its efforts to reach a ceasefire.

“We’ve issued a very explicit proposal to both the Russians and the Ukrainians, and it’s time for them to either say yes, or for the United States to walk away from this process,” Vance told reporters in India, where he is on a four-day visit.
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“It’s now time, I think, to take, if not the final step, one of the final steps, which is, at a broad level, the party saying we’re going to stop the killing, we’re going to freeze the territorial lines at some level close to where they are today,” Vance added.

“Now, of course, that means the Ukrainians and the Russians are both going to have to give up some of the territory they currently own,” he added.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/apr/23/russia-ukraine-war-live-london-peace-talks-macron-starmer-zelenskyy-putin-latest-news-updates?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-6808d1148f0864f4ce48210a#block-6808d1148f0864f4ce48210a

"Both ... give up some of the territory they currently own" is doing a lot of work there. Vance/Trump/whoever is not asking Russia to "give up" a single bit of Russia as internationally recognised; the only movement of the front line towards Russia mentioned is "the return of the small part of Kharkiv oblast Russia has occupied", which is, of course, not "owned". Russia get to control everything else it has invaded, and gets US recognition of Crimea as part of Russia.

I presume "walk away from this process" is a threat to withdraw all US military support from Ukraine. Because if it was just "the US won't try and make a deal anymore", it wouldn't be much of a threat, would it? More like a relief that the biased and out-of-their-depth US "negotiators" would stop wasting people's time.

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Trump can't force Ukraine to accept Russia after so many soldiers died fighting for Ukraine Walleye Wednesday #1
Outrageous. highplainsdem Wednesday #2
Hogwash... 2naSalit Wednesday #3
Not that Trump could understand but this is a terrible precedent to set. Even worse if Ukraine can't join NATO dutch777 Wednesday #4
Need to check the calendar again. I thought this was 2025, not 1938. Ray Bruns Wednesday #5
What's next: Witkoff will travel to Moscow later this week for his fourth meeting with Putin, the White House announced riversedge Wednesday #6
Not. Gonna. Happen. DJT can go fuck all the way off. LymphocyteLover Wednesday #7
What's Putin's is Putin's. What isn't is negotiable. Sounds familiar. Eugene Wednesday #8
I guess Trump believes... liberalgunwilltravel Wednesday #9
Use a cholla! It'll hurt more. Linda ladeewolf Wednesday #16
If Ukraine accepts Marthe48 Wednesday #10
Agree a peace deal or US will walk away, Vance tells Ukraine and Russia muriel_volestrangler Wednesday #11
It might be better under the circumstances if trump walked away. Linda ladeewolf Wednesday #18
Nailed it! PortTack Wednesday #23
Just what Ukraine needs - a major fuck-up like Vance running negotiations. mdbl Wednesday #32
Wasn't that his first, second and third "offer" too? travelingthrulife Wednesday #12
Fuck off Krasnov Botany Wednesday #13
Well isn't this great? Ukraine gets attacked at the negotiation tables. bluestarone Wednesday #14
aka he threw his hands up and the air and said, "I need a nap". nt Javaman Wednesday #15
So ... surrender. mellow Wednesday #17
Neither Pootie, nor trmp can be trusted and Zelensky knows it. louis-t Wednesday #19
GOP sells out because the US is weak. bronxiteforever Wednesday #20
This fool doesn't get it! It doesn't matter what the F you say...GO AWAY! PortTack Wednesday #21
Take your, "final offer," and shove it Bayard Wednesday #22
Hopefully Ukraine will tell Putin's puppet to shove it. republianmushroom Wednesday #24
I hope Europe can hold the line against Russia and support Ukraine against this unholy pact. Martin68 Wednesday #25
When this is all over, I will be bitterly upset if Trump is not a refugee hiding in Moscow. Moostache Wednesday #26
This is a set-up blue-wave Wednesday #27
Screw off drumphf & putin! Slava Ukraini! electric_blue68 Wednesday #28
Time for a united Europe to help Ukraine. Chipper Chat Wednesday #29
What happened to the 24-hours boast? "Well, I was being a little bit sarcastic when I said that," Ol Janx Spirit Wednesday #30
Trump apparently doesn't know the meaning of "sarcasm". LudwigPastorius Wednesday #35
He only recently discovered the word groceries and kindly brought it back to the common folks... N/T Ol Janx Spirit Wednesday #37
All russians in the WH so what was to be expected? vapor2 Wednesday #31
The peace deal isn't a peace deal. It's an ultimatum sakabatou Wednesday #33
BREAKING: London Peace Talks COLLAPSE -- republianmushroom Wednesday #34
Trump & Vance can go f@k themselves. sinkingfeeling Wednesday #36
And he wants a Nobel Peace Prize for that. milestogo Wednesday #38
Zelensky reposted a 2018 statement by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #39
Hell, it actually would NOT surprise me if TSF sent American troops in there to help bluestarone Wednesday #40
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